Dance well and emote at the same time. I think she made a breakthrough on performing yesterday but the dance was light on content with her being carried around half the time. She's capable of gettIng a 10 and may earn it next week.
What does Claudia & AJ have to do to get 10's?
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Originally Posted by water_carrier:
“Just finished watching Strictly on catch up. I thought Claudia and AJ's did the best dance of the night. Amazing to watch, thought she should have got 40. Also thought she should have finished second in the cha cha challenge.
I'm not a dancer by any stretch but she was exceptionally good and like the OP I wonder what she has to do to get top marks from the judges. It's very sad”
“Just finished watching Strictly on catch up. I thought Claudia and AJ's did the best dance of the night. Amazing to watch, thought she should have got 40. Also thought she should have finished second in the cha cha challenge.
I'm not a dancer by any stretch but she was exceptionally good and like the OP I wonder what she has to do to get top marks from the judges. It's very sad”
It is very sad, imagine how she must feel wondering what she has to do to get a 10. I hope the viewers keep her out of the bottom 2 so she make the final and spoil their favoured 3 final.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“My view on the correct mark for the dance done by AJ and Claudia depends on which hat I am wearing.
In my viewers that I found it a very entertaining routine. In my dance critics that I would say she danced the material she was given pretty well but nuot perfectly so a nine is fair IMO. As an AT dancer and teacher I couldn't give it above a 7 because of the lack of AT content, the amount of time she spent in the air (neither being her fault of course) and the lack of essential Argentine Tango style or technique on the rare occassions that her feet were on the floor.”
“My view on the correct mark for the dance done by AJ and Claudia depends on which hat I am wearing.
In my viewers that I found it a very entertaining routine. In my dance critics that I would say she danced the material she was given pretty well but nuot perfectly so a nine is fair IMO. As an AT dancer and teacher I couldn't give it above a 7 because of the lack of AT content, the amount of time she spent in the air (neither being her fault of course) and the lack of essential Argentine Tango style or technique on the rare occassions that her feet were on the floor.”
Interested to read your critique An Thropologist which is very fair and balanced (as always). I guess since AJ himself had not danced AT before they decided to capitalise on what he and Claudia could do well. Perhaps AJ , given his age and recent signing, has more excuse than other pros for not having experience in AT although hopefully he'll take time to learn a bit more if he stays next year.
Originally Posted by kittenkong42:
“Paso? I hope it wasn't the best Paso of the series as it was an Argentine Tango
”
“Paso? I hope it wasn't the best Paso of the series as it was an Argentine Tango
”
Well, it certainly wasn't an Argentine Tango, but it was an interesting acrobatic dance.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Dance well and emote at the same time. I think she made a breakthrough on performing yesterday but the dance was light on content with her being carried around half the time. She's capable of gettIng a 10 and may earn it next week.”
“Dance well and emote at the same time. I think she made a breakthrough on performing yesterday but the dance was light on content with her being carried around half the time. She's capable of gettIng a 10 and may earn it next week.”
Carried around - wow. Have you any idea of the inner strength and control she needed to execute those moves and lifts!!! AJ too had to control and time them perfectly for them not to end up a hot mess. Neither AJ nor Claudia are responsible for the choreography and that was designed to make the most of her core strength whilst getting round the height difference.
It was an amazing AT.
I think their music choices have hampered them from getting 10's so far.
If they can have something perhaps a bit more Len-friendly then that's when they'll get a 10 from Len.
If they can have something perhaps a bit more Len-friendly then that's when they'll get a 10 from Len.
I'm not even sure it's that Claudia's marks are wrong (except for last week when she was overmarked for her jive), more that other people's marks aren't right?
When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s. (whether it was an AT or not, I will leave to the experts, but then I thought Louise's was more AS than waltz as she wasn't in ballroom hold enough, and Ore faffed about too long with that table)
In reality though, in my opinion, the only dance last night that deserved a 10 from any of them was Danny and Oti's. And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.
When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s. (whether it was an AT or not, I will leave to the experts, but then I thought Louise's was more AS than waltz as she wasn't in ballroom hold enough, and Ore faffed about too long with that table)
In reality though, in my opinion, the only dance last night that deserved a 10 from any of them was Danny and Oti's. And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“I'm not even sure it's that Claudia's marks are wrong (except for last week when she was overmarked for her jive), more that other people's marks aren't right?
When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s. (whether it was an AT or not, I will leave to the experts, but then I thought Louise's was more AS than waltz as she wasn't in ballroom hold enough, and Ore faffed about too long with that table)
In reality though, in my opinion, the only dance last night that deserved a 10 from any of them was Danny and Oti's. And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.”
“I'm not even sure it's that Claudia's marks are wrong (except for last week when she was overmarked for her jive), more that other people's marks aren't right?
When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s. (whether it was an AT or not, I will leave to the experts, but then I thought Louise's was more AS than waltz as she wasn't in ballroom hold enough, and Ore faffed about too long with that table)
In reality though, in my opinion, the only dance last night that deserved a 10 from any of them was Danny and Oti's. And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.”
I think Bruno may have been the judge who gave Nastia and Derek a 10 for a similar AT on DWTS
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Well, it certainly wasn't an Argentine Tango, but it was an interesting acrobatic dance.”
“Well, it certainly wasn't an Argentine Tango, but it was an interesting acrobatic dance.”
Can it not be argued that none of the SCD Argentine tango's ARE Argentine tango's, so none would deserve tens, so should just be taken for what they are as a performance and if you are judging against the SCD standard of one, it was worth at least one ten.
The idea that Claudia was just being carried around is silly- the core strength you need to hold those positions is insane and just as difficult as anything being done on the floor. It might not have been a proper Argentine Tango but when was the last time one of those was actually performed on Strictly? It was a high impact dance that didn't get 10s on the same night that a dance with visible mistakes that were pointed out got one, so the perception is out there that they were undermarked regardless of whether they were or not.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Darcey's comment was only consistent with a ten . She was calling it exceptional - without finding a single word to describe why it wasn't. She also ticked off the boxes including acting, and the dance specific moves.
They can't argue its because she's short, or because she uses her gymnastic ability. She can't grow, they slobbered over Louis doing gymnastics tricks , and she's already doing better at acting, And if incoming experience was counted, they would then have to allow for Danny's training too.
Meanwhile 3 judges found fault with Ore ,and one with Louise, neither of whom can act well , So how you justify the tens there - when there's a problem indicated, and don't give a ten when three judges have nohing but heavy praise , escapes me.
It just looks like they are stuck with a set three for the final. There's Danny - though many of his year at arts ed would be as good or better. They seem to have something for Louise - who isn't notably better than Laura or Daisy at their best. And they may be terrified of the next claim of racism - if Ore gets thrown out before the final. Thats looking like a truly, ultra, dull, predictable, final.
And there's still that question of the importance , if any, of avoiding having a tour where the winner, or main competition, is absent, preparing for her national championships.”
“Darcey's comment was only consistent with a ten . She was calling it exceptional - without finding a single word to describe why it wasn't. She also ticked off the boxes including acting, and the dance specific moves.
They can't argue its because she's short, or because she uses her gymnastic ability. She can't grow, they slobbered over Louis doing gymnastics tricks , and she's already doing better at acting, And if incoming experience was counted, they would then have to allow for Danny's training too.
Meanwhile 3 judges found fault with Ore ,and one with Louise, neither of whom can act well , So how you justify the tens there - when there's a problem indicated, and don't give a ten when three judges have nohing but heavy praise , escapes me.
It just looks like they are stuck with a set three for the final. There's Danny - though many of his year at arts ed would be as good or better. They seem to have something for Louise - who isn't notably better than Laura or Daisy at their best. And they may be terrified of the next claim of racism - if Ore gets thrown out before the final. Thats looking like a truly, ultra, dull, predictable, final.
And there's still that question of the importance , if any, of avoiding having a tour where the winner, or main competition, is absent, preparing for her national championships.”
Oh good grief, that's taking the conspiracy theories a bit far!!
1. Do you really think the judges say everything they think when giving their comments? Of course not, they only have limited time. So they just have to say a few/the most memorable of the things that come into their head. No negative comments has never meant that the dance was perfect.
2. Ore got a Bruno 10, which means about as much as a Craig 8. And I disagree he can't act, so that's all a matter of opinion, which you seem to be conveniently forgetting. I can't explain the Louise score as I thought she was vastly overmarked.
3. They're obviously not stuck with a set 3 for the final as they have no control over who finishes in the top two in the combined judges' scores/public vote in the semi-final. They can control the third via the dance-off, but if it ends up being Ore v Louise, for example, then obviously they won't have the final you allege they want.
4. And as for the racism comment, don't be ridiculous - have you forgotten that you seem to have Oti as a cert for the final and she's not a white British dancer? And of course what may seem dull to you will be the dream final for others - that little concept called opinion again.
5. And your tour conspiracy has been floated around and disproved year after year after year. Have you forgotten that Alesha didn't do the tour after she won? Didn't do that tour any harm at all, and that was with an absent winner, never mind a runner up!
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Oh good grief, that's taking the conspiracy theories a bit far!!
1. Do you really think the judges say everything they think when giving their comments? Of course not, they only have limited time. So they just have to say a few/the most memorable of the things that come into their head. No negative comments has never meant that the dance was perfect.
2. Ore got a Bruno 10, which means about as much as a Craig 8. And I disagree he can't act, so that's all a matter of opinion, which you seem to be conveniently forgetting. I can't explain the Louise score as I thought she was vastly overmarked.
3. They're obviously not stuck with a set 3 for the final as they have no control over who finishes in the top two in the combined judges' scores/public vote in the semi-final. They can control the third via the dance-off, but if it ends up being Ore v Louise, for example, then obviously they won't have the final you allege they want.
4. And as for the racism comment, don't be ridiculous - have you forgotten that you seem to have Oti as a cert for the final and she's not a white British dancer? And of course what may seem dull to you will be the dream final for others - that little concept called opinion again.
5. And your tour conspiracy has been floated around and disproved year after year after year. Have you forgotten that Alesha didn't do the tour after she won? Didn't do that tour any harm at all, and that was with an absent winner, never mind a runner up!”
“Oh good grief, that's taking the conspiracy theories a bit far!!
1. Do you really think the judges say everything they think when giving their comments? Of course not, they only have limited time. So they just have to say a few/the most memorable of the things that come into their head. No negative comments has never meant that the dance was perfect.
2. Ore got a Bruno 10, which means about as much as a Craig 8. And I disagree he can't act, so that's all a matter of opinion, which you seem to be conveniently forgetting. I can't explain the Louise score as I thought she was vastly overmarked.
3. They're obviously not stuck with a set 3 for the final as they have no control over who finishes in the top two in the combined judges' scores/public vote in the semi-final. They can control the third via the dance-off, but if it ends up being Ore v Louise, for example, then obviously they won't have the final you allege they want.
4. And as for the racism comment, don't be ridiculous - have you forgotten that you seem to have Oti as a cert for the final and she's not a white British dancer? And of course what may seem dull to you will be the dream final for others - that little concept called opinion again.
5. And your tour conspiracy has been floated around and disproved year after year after year. Have you forgotten that Alesha didn't do the tour after she won? Didn't do that tour any harm at all, and that was with an absent winner, never mind a runner up!”
Ore's posture was terrible... 8's should've been the right score.
She looked completely gutted when the results cams in. You could see the resignation on her face. The judges could not make it any clearer that they want Danny, Louise and Ore for the final.
Fair enough if they want Ed and Rob out, the two weakest dancers left but the top four are all excellent dancers in different ways and it should be left to the voting public who goes through.
You just know that if Claudia was to meet Danny, Ore or Louise in a dance off it would be her to go no matter how good her dance was.
Fair enough if they want Ed and Rob out, the two weakest dancers left but the top four are all excellent dancers in different ways and it should be left to the voting public who goes through.
You just know that if Claudia was to meet Danny, Ore or Louise in a dance off it would be her to go no matter how good her dance was.
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“So how how you gonna explain the very bad posture of ore's paso with a 10 if they are focusing so much on technique?”
“So how how you gonna explain the very bad posture of ore's paso with a 10 if they are focusing so much on technique?”
I'm not.
I am an Argentine Tango dancer and teacher not a Paso Doble dancer and teacher so I am not qualified to comment on the latter. Although I have taken some Flamenco classes. 
What did you feel was wrong with his posture?
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s.
... And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.”
“When you see some of the dances that are getting given 10s, then in comparison, yes, Claudia deserves 10s.
... And maybe Claudia getting chucked a Bruno 10.
Usually the position on the leaderboard ends up being right no matter what score they decide to give, but last night I felt Claudia deserved to be at least 1 place up the leaderboard.”
I agree with your post but have cut to the points you make where Ore has the most benefit from the point you make.
First bit - I said in one post that not only is the Paso the man's dance but once Ore had finished it, he looked like he'd been in a bull fight that he'd lost. This IMHO does not deserve a 10 unless I didn't get the whole concept of the dance which if that's the case it's selfish on Jo Clifton's part to have Ore "lose" the bull fight and equally does not deserve a 10 by any stretch of the imagination.
Second bit - Bruno already used his chucked 10 at Ore. He wasn't able to justify another.
Third bit - Because Ore had a 10 chucked at him it empowered the judges to place him 3rd in the chacha thon. Giving Claudia one 10 and placing her 4th in the chacha thon had them level on points after it. Giving her more than one and placing her 4th in the chacha thon kind of guarantees Ed in the dance off and the danger of pitting him against Ore because a) there will potentially be a Claudia backlash anyway from last week and b) it causes even further backlash and more votes Claudia's way by scoring her so highly in the first round of dances and 4th in the group dance so in the judge's way it makes further sense to score both her and Ore equally in the original dance and then rank Ore higher in the group dance
Originally Posted by J.R:
“ Neither AJ nor Claudia are responsible for the choreography and that was designed to make the most of her core strength whilst getting round the height difference.
It was an amazing AT.”
“ Neither AJ nor Claudia are responsible for the choreography and that was designed to make the most of her core strength whilst getting round the height difference.
It was an amazing AT.”
No. it was an amazing display of core strength, as befits a gymnast but it was only a good AT.
To get a 10 she should DANCE better. We all know she can do gymnastics and is strong but it's a dance competition.
Originally Posted by J.R:
“Carried around - wow. Have you any idea of the inner strength and control she needed to execute those moves and lifts!!! AJ too had to control and time them perfectly for them not to end up a hot mess. Neither AJ nor Claudia are responsible for the choreography and that was designed to make the most of her core strength whilst getting round the height difference.
It was an amazing AT.”
“Carried around - wow. Have you any idea of the inner strength and control she needed to execute those moves and lifts!!! AJ too had to control and time them perfectly for them not to end up a hot mess. Neither AJ nor Claudia are responsible for the choreography and that was designed to make the most of her core strength whilst getting round the height difference.
It was an amazing AT.”
Quite. If you're going to do an unconventional version of AT to a very high standard, this would be it. Better than the Rachel and Vincent's unconventional AT?
Maybe.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I'm not. I am an Argentine Tango dancer and teacher not a Paso Doble dancer and teacher so I am not qualified to comment on the latter. Although I have taken some Flamenco classes.
What did you feel was wrong with his posture?”
“I'm not.
I am an Argentine Tango dancer and teacher not a Paso Doble dancer and teacher so I am not qualified to comment on the latter. Although I have taken some Flamenco classes. What did you feel was wrong with his posture?”
you don't have to be professional to see that his paso posture is just really wrong... from start to finish... watch it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklC8jh5uFM&t=5s
She got one of my votes last night. The other 2 went to The Judge who I think had a particularly tough night. I think some of the harsh comments that went his way were made even harsher as a direct result of the gushing that had gone on beforehand. As I said earlier even poor Claudia suffered as a result of that with the judges scoring no higher than 8 and at an average of 6.5 for the two that went before her part in way to justify no first 10 for her and making 9s look good by comparison of what had been beforehand. I wasn't fooled
Originally Posted by kirstylouise666:
“or Danny”
“or Danny”
but Danny deserves it.
if anyone doubts the manipulation going on on this show , just look at the Cha Cha Challenge and how sloppy Louise was on that Cha Cha and compare it to Danny's and Oti, he danced it like a professional, but at the end Strictly's favorite son was even with Oti. Moments like this really show what they producers want.
Claudia should have gotten at least two 10s, another manipulation. it doesn't come from the judges, it comes from above.
i think claudia should have got some 10s for her vw
i fully expect that she'd get some for a showdance, and i would like to see one from her!
i fully expect that she'd get some for a showdance, and i would like to see one from her!
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“What does Claudia & AJ have to do to get 10's?
change her name to Clifton
”
“What does Claudia & AJ have to do to get 10's?
change her name to Clifton
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That would be a start.
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