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What does Claudia & AJ have to do to get 10's?
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james_von05
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phil Ander:
“Ah but we do love our conspiracies don't we?

Last year we had the same complaints. If anybody thinks that changing the judges there won't be the same moans he/she need to have a cold shower.

All this is about opinions be they mine, yours or the Judges. There are no facts and certainly there is no evidence of collusion between Judges other than an opinion that some dancers are overmarked and others undermarked. Judges can and frequently do disagree with each other. They mark what they see. All of us can disagree with them which is why the public have a big say in who stays and who goes.

If the GBP want Claudia to win they will vote accordingly.”

Lol... this happened before... top the voting... but still didn't escape the dance off... the judges sent Austin home.
Amaluna
29-11-2016
I don't know what they have to do but I would try and do something about the height difference. Claudia is short and so e fast dance movements just don't look as elegant as they would look if a taller person is performing g them. Still I don't mean that a short person cannot be a good dancer, but I think AJ should look into that and make sure his choreography suits and comp!I shte her.
In each of their dances there is this weird moment when she is supposed to make bigger steps than she can and ends up making more little steps thus breaking the rhythm of the dance. Or just let AJ drag her because she can't keep up with the steps.
I think she is very capable just the choreography needs a bit of fine tuning. The pro has to showcase the celebrity, not himself/herself. I think AJ needs more experience in that.
I also would be surprised if they win exactly because of these little little details which separate the really good from the outstanding performance.
An Thropologist
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“you don't have to be professional to see that his paso posture is just really wrong... from start to finish... watch it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklC8jh5uFM&t=5s”

Thank you for the link but I still can't see what it is about his posture you find objectionable.

I am not a professional but to me it looks like a very good Paso posture, he stretches up, he arches his back, he keeps his pelvis forward, he extends his arms and from the shoulders, he lifts from his core and keeps his head up. What's not to like?

And funnily enough 4 professionals including one ballroom/latin expert all praise his posture as their primary comment.

If you can be specific I would be genuinely interested. But maybe you are just on a wind up.
Pontywarrior
29-11-2016
I don't think her and AJ have the chemistry and not sure they ever will.

Not his or her fault but sadly a lot has to do with her age in that she probably can't 'act' the emotions which matter a lot in many dances.
StellaBella05
29-11-2016
I don't think it's as much as they don't have any chemistry or get on well or something...they always seem quite happy together. Think it's more that they have difficulty selling the routine together and maybe that comes across?

But to be honest, I thought that was a bit of a flimsy reason given for the lack of 10s in their A/T. I think they have as much connection as the other couples tbh. My mum and I couldn't believe they didn't get at least one 10. Not saying their dance was perfect but thought it deserved higher marks, especially when all the judges bar Craig were raving about it. They both seemed a bit disappointed with the scores.

Although I think it probably helped them get through. Loads of people thought it was undermarked and subsequently voted for them.
Olivia_P
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by WallyWall2013:
“I normally don't complain about scores too much and for the record, I thought all of the other couples scores were more or less fair and on point for their respective dances.

I thought Claudia & AJ pulled out an amazing Argentine Tango tonight. It was mature but age appropriate, well danced and performed, fantastic tricks and showed a completely different side of themselves as a couple. I just don't get the straight 9's and not at least one or two 10s. What do they have to do to get 10's? I really thought they would have gotten some after that dance and those comments (in which case Darcey, Len, Bruno had nothing negative to stay).

I hope they will get lots of votes and be safe. I'm worried for them. ”

BiB:
Answer: Dance an actual AT (i.e. use legs) instead of performing a medal-worthy gymnastics routine, with AJ in the role of uneven bars.
thenetworkbabe
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by Olivia_P:
“BiB:
Answer: Dance an actual AT (i.e. use legs) instead of performing a medal-worthy gymnastics routine, with AJ in the role of uneven bars.”

That exaggerates grossly the time in the air - much of which was spent doing tango moves. They broke no spec. They can do what they like within it. The judges job is not to mark the choregraphy - let alone for not being duller, - indeed ,ithe judges made zero comment on the choregraphy, and said she did the dance's s moves. You also can't, as a judge, logically, say you like the lifts, and then penalise the lifts being there.
thenetworkbabe
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pontywarrior:
“I don't think her and AJ have the chemistry and not sure they ever will.

Not his or her fault but sadly a lot has to do with her age in that she probably can't 'act' the emotions which matter a lot in many dances.”

That was Darcey's, rather unconvincing, rabbit out of a hat, answer when asked why her 10 comment turned up as a 9.

Only one of these couples have much chemistry - there's no affairs going on , and Ore and Louise can't act. Danny can, more or less, play a role - but he should be able to - having spent 3 years getting a degree that says he can , and getting onto one of the most competitive acting courses in the country . Claudia and AJ have actually done pretty well in the role they have been cast in , as young lovers, almost every week.
Olivia_P
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“That exaggerates grossly the time in the air - much of which was spent doing tango moves. They broke no spec. They can do what they like within it. The judges job is not to mark the choregraphy - let alone for not being duller, - indeed ,ithe judges made zero comment on the choregraphy, and said she did the dance's s moves. You also can't, as a judge, logically, say you like the lifts, and then penalise the lifts being there.”

With the amount of time Claudia spent in the air, that exaggeration is rather mild. The lifts were spectacular, but there were too many of them. Speaking of their footwork, their few ganchos were pretty lame, probably because of the difference in the dancers' height and leg length. Both Claudia and AJ are talented individuals but they are poorly matched.
Pontywarrior
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“That was Darcey's, rather unconvincing, rabbit out of a hat, answer when asked why her 10 comment turned up as a 9.

Only one of these couples have much chemistry - there's no affairs going on , and Ore and Louise can't act. Danny can, more or less, play a role - but he should be able to - having spent 3 years getting a degree that says he can , and getting onto one of the most competitive acting courses in the country . Claudia and AJ have actually done pretty well in the role they have been cast in , as young lovers, almost every week.”

It doesn't matter whether they 'get on' chemistry for the kind of dances they are doing needs to be there and it isn't.

The fact that Danny has been trained or not matter nothing to me (as it appears to do to so many) the fact is he has 'got it' and it makes the difference in the scoring.

The voters will make up their own mind but I was offering an opinion as to wy they are not getting 10's.

I do think a lot has to do with age though as at her age I would be horrified if I had to show sexual tension in a dance.
An Thropologist
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pontywarrior:
“It doesn't matter whether they 'get on' chemistry for the kind of dances they are doing needs to be there and it isn't.

The fact that Danny has been trained or not matter nothing to me (as it appears to do to so many) the fact is he has 'got it' and it makes the difference in the scoring.

The voters will make up their own mind but I was offering an opinion as to wy they are not getting 10's.

I do think a lot has to do with age though as at her age I would be horrified if I had to show sexual tension in a dance.”

I think you have hit A nail on the head there. Given that her life is likely to have been the self disciplined and focused routine of an elite athlete I suspect she hasn't had the time or the inclination to experience a lot of sexual tension.

Having said that sexual tension is not a prerequisit of Argentine Tango. Footwork and a frame that allows two people to share a single axis, however, are essential elements. And to do that the feet have to be on the floor. There are no Argentine Tango moves in the air., correct or otherwise.
Olivia_P
30-11-2016
[quote=An Thropologist;84746869]I think you have hit A nail on the head there. Given that her life is likely to have been the self disciplined and focused routine of an elite athlete I suspect she hasn't had the time or the inclination to experience a lot of sexual tension.

Having said that sexual tension is not a prerequisit of Argentine Tango. Footwork and a frame that allows two people to share a single axis, however, are essential elements. And to do that the feet have to be on the floor. There are no Argentine Tango moves in the air., correct or otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I could not have explained it better. Thank you.
Bless You
01-12-2016
I know right! Giving her the same scores as last week is just utterly absurd. The judges need a telling off.
robbleona
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“Lol... this happened before... top the voting... but still didn't escape the dance off... the judges sent Austin home.”

Its just possible that Ed Balls could have finished SECOND in the public vote, and still finished bottom 2 last Saturday. That's how hard the joodges vote makes it.

The GBP need to get behind Claudia to stop the judges choice of a louise,danny,ore 'establishment' final...that pick was confirmed with their chachacha nonsense voting.
sofakat
02-12-2016
I think Claudia and Rinder have gone about as far as they can. Neither will improve from here on in. They have gone as far as they can and I think it should be bottom two for both this weekend.
james_von05
02-12-2016
I believe this weekend is a game changer for everyone... after last week of bad press, the judges will try to redeem their reputation... so they will try to be more fairer to every couple and will pick up the smallest mistake...

As long as Claudia deliver spectacular performance from then on... I can see her reaching the final...

I'm wondering if they gonna mention Louise's basic safe routine...
collaw
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“I believe this weekend is a game changer for everyone... after last week of bad press, the judges will try to redeem their reputation... so they will try to be more fairer to every couple and will pick up the smallest mistake...

As long as Claudia deliver spectacular performance from then on... I can see her reaching the final...

I'm wondering if they gonna mention Louise's basic safe routine...”

Bad press???
james_von05
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Bad press???”

http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv...fragapane.html
little_lexie
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I think Claudia and Rinder have gone about as far as they can. Neither will improve from here on in. They have gone as far as they can and I think it should be bottom two for both this weekend.”

I think Claudia can definitely improve. She is a great dancer, consistently praised for her footwork, fluidity, balance and control - she just needs to fix the performance aspect of it.

Some of her dances like her Charleston, VW and AT must have been very close to a 10, with only a couple of minor adjustments needed (none of the judges have any criticism for her Charleston, so there really must not have been much to fix.) I would love her to get to the final and do her VW again. It was beautiful and If she worked on her spotting and tidied up her fleckerl it could be absolutely magical.

I think she can definitely improve and would be a worthy finalist.
collaw
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv...fragapane.html”

That thing can't even become toilet paper PRESS for christ sake newspapers ,

That is a guy earning a few bob on the side hardly the PRESS
Sarah777
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“Lol... this happened before... top the voting... but still didn't escape the dance off... the judges sent Austin home.”

I wish BBC would release the voting figures, would like to see how many are being carried by the judges.
sofakat
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by little_lexie:
“I think Claudia can definitely improve. She is a great dancer, consistently praised for her footwork, fluidity, balance and control - she just needs to fix the performance aspect of it.

Some of her dances like her Charleston, VW and AT must have been very close to a 10, with only a couple of minor adjustments needed (none of the judges have any criticism for her Charleston, so there really must not have been much to fix.) I would love her to get to the final and do her VW again. It was beautiful and If she worked on her spotting and tidied up her fleckerl it could be absolutely magical.

I think she can definitely improve and would be a worthy finalist.”

She is not fluid at all and her feet are still bad. Her balance (axis) has always been perfect (except in the Jive) but I'd expect that of her.

However her musicality is way off, her body shape does not help - nor does callow young AJ's naff choreography - and neither does the length of her legs. She is trained for power and speed, not sashaying! Fluid lines are not her thing at all.

The AT was terrible (not a single AT step tio be seen and no walking - not her fault) and her Charleston was brilliantly choreographed. Her Latin is not good at all and her Jive was appalling. She is better in hold.

I think she's a great girl but she's no a finalist. However, I don't think she'll mind one bit. She is a superb athlete and I really do not think she'll cry over a plastic glitterball.
sofakat
02-12-2016
[quote=james_von05;84765296

As long as Claudia deliver spectacular performance from then on... I can see her reaching the final...

[/QUOTE]

Dream on!
sofakat
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“That thing can't even become toilet paper PRESS for christ sake newspapers ,

That is a guy earning a few bob on the side hardly the PRESS”

Could not have put it better myself

Trash.
StrictlyEastend
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“She is not fluid at all and her feet are still bad. Her balance (axis) has always been perfect (except in the Jive) but I'd expect that of her.

However her musicality is way off, her body shape does not help - nor does callow young AJ's naff choreography - and neither does the length of her legs. She is trained for power and speed, not sashaying! Fluid lines are not her thing at all.

The AT was terrible (not a single AT step tio be seen and no walking - not her fault) and her Charleston was brilliantly choreographed. Her Latin is not good at all and her Jive was appalling. She is better in hold.

I think she's a great girl but she's no a finalist. However, I don't think she'll mind one bit. She is a superb athlete and I really do not think she'll cry over a plastic glitterball.”

I can't agree unfortunately, her Argentine Tango WAS an Argentine Tango, ok, maybe more Argentine Tango could have gone in there, but the music was so hard to choreograph to, I gave it a 10 as FOR THE SONG I thought there was enough content, as for her feet being bad, I can't agree at all, I think her footwork is exquisite, ok, spotting could be better but as Bruno says, that CAN TAKE YEARS to correct, you are only there for 1 year.
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