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Old 27-11-2016, 16:46
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Best dancers at the top of the leader board ? You're right it's all a bloody fix.
Same with the Premiership, poor old Sunderland are down the bottom and Chelsea are top just because they've won more games. It's a disgrace.
It doesn't mean that Chelsea have the best footballers though.
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Old 27-11-2016, 16:57
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It doesn't mean that Chelsea have the best footballers though.
Quite. All down to referee favouritism if you ask me.
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Old 27-11-2016, 17:00
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The judges are people, they have their favourites, just as we do. I don't think they get orders from up on high telling them what points to give in the cha cha cha thing, but I do think that was going to be the order whatever the dancing had been, because the judges see what they expect to see.

Basically I think it's lowercase predictable rather than scandal FIX and I don't think the marking was about Ed, but if I was a Claudia fan I'd be miffed. I don't think the judges are corrupt but I do think they are blinkered. Just how I feel watching it all for years.
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Old 27-11-2016, 17:22
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The judges are people, they have their favourites, just as we do. I don't think they get orders from up on high telling them what points to give in the cha cha cha thing, but I do think that was going to be the order whatever the dancing had been, because the judges see what they expect to see.

Basically I think it's lowercase predictable rather than scandal FIX and I don't think the marking was about Ed, but if I was a Claudia fan I'd be miffed. I don't think the judges are corrupt but I do think they are blinkered. Just how I feel watching it all for years.
As a Claudia fan I am most definitely MIFFED.
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Old 27-11-2016, 17:41
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As a Claudia fan I am most definitely MIFFED.
It was very naughty of the judges to do that. I like Claudia.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:09
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Just as you did stating the the X Factor stage invasion was a fix, with no proof to back it up.

Hypocrite.
Thank you for being observant. It shows who is being provocative.

I agree that the role of the Judges is to mark on dance performance and content and the public to vote for their favourite. In the past, Tess would always say "vote for your favourite" but I see she does not do that now. We just have Claudia Winkleman attempting to be heard over some overly loud mariachi band or Chas and Dave and no one can hear what she is saying.

I just feel that the Judges do not always vote according to performance and content but have their own idea of who they want in the final and if those contestants need a little help, then it is given in the way of marking them as high as possible in order to try and keep them out of the dance off.

You only have to look at Greg and Claudia's dance off. Gregg was clearly the better dancer in the dance off while Claudia seemed to have given up and made numerous errors. However, the power of the Judges came through and while being the better in the dance off, Greg was evicted. I like Claudia and hope she goes through rather than Louise as she has far more obstacles to overcome re height than Louise does.

You never hear the Judges taking into account the age, size, weight differences but why not? If this is purely a dance contest, then pick celebrities with equal abilities. As it's a mixture, you have to take everything into account, not just performance. In the first few years, the Judges actually commented on the "journey" of the celebrities and made allowances for the difference in ability but around season 4, something changed. It's a given that Danny Mac is probably the best celebrity we have ever seen on SCD so if you were Ed Balls, why take part in a contest that you stand no chance of winning if it were all down to the judges? And please lets hear no more of this "it's a disgrace that you are in the dance off, you don't deserve to be here" from them. The show is to entertain the public and the public have voted. (we think, as we don't know what the public vote was or ever will be).
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:15
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Just as you did stating the the X Factor stage invasion was a fix, with no proof to back it up.

Hypocrite.
X Factor viewers claim Honey G stage invasion was planned

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...n-was-planned/


One viewer claims she caught the moment that proves it was planned
X Factor viewers are claiming the moment three men stormed the stage on Saturday night was all planned.

One eagle eyed viewer recording the moment it happened from their home claims the men were prompted to run down onto the stage.

Some fans at home also claimed it was all for how.

One tweeted: “Fix Factor back at it again.”

Another wrote: “How pathetic, to organise a stage gatecrash.”

I will not resort to name calling, some evidence above.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:20
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Thank you for being observant. It shows who is being provocative.

I agree that the role of the Judges is to mark on dance performance and content and the public to vote for their favourite. In the past, Tess would always say "vote for your favourite" but I see she does not do that now. We just have Claudia Winkleman attempting to be heard over some overly loud mariachi band or Chas and Dave and no one can hear what she is saying.

I just feel that the Judges do not always vote according to performance and content but have their own idea of who they want in the final and if those contestants need a little help, then it is given in the way of marking them as high as possible in order to try and keep them out of the dance off.

You only have to look at Greg and Claudia's dance off. Gregg was clearly the better dancer in the dance off while Claudia seemed to have given up and made numerous errors. However, the power of the Judges came through and while being the better in the dance off, Greg was evicted. I like Claudia and hope she goes through rather than Louise as she has far more obstacles to overcome re height than Louise does.

You never hear the Judges taking into account the age, size, weight differences but why not? If this is purely a dance contest, then pick celebrities with equal abilities. As it's a mixture, you have to take everything into account, not just performance. In the first few years, the Judges actually commented on the "journey" of the celebrities and made allowances for the difference in ability but around season 4, something changed. It's a given that Danny Mac is probably the best celebrity we have ever seen on SCD so if you were Ed Balls, why take part in a contest that you stand no chance of winning if it were all down to the judges? And please lets hear no more of this "it's a disgrace that you are in the dance off, you don't deserve to be here" from them. The show is to entertain the public and the public have voted. (we think, as we don't know what the public vote was or ever will be).
I have posted evidence above,
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:32
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I just love all these FIX threads!! Every year they appear and yet there's not a single shred of PROPER evidence, just 'I believe my chosen celeb was marked down because another celeb got a higher mark'.

Still, I suppose it keeps some folks happy when they are burning with self righteous indignation.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:34
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This was obvious before the dances even started. At the end, Danny and Louise equal top, what a surprise! The order was so easy to predict the Judges should hang their collective heads in shame. Everything that Ola and co said about fixing the marks to ensure the favoured few are top is proven right.

Thank God the public can reverse the decision and keep Ed Balls in. Unfortunately for Judge Rinder, he will be in the dance off and an obvious vote off even if the other celeb (Ore) breaks his legs.

SCD has become a laugh and has plumbed to the depths of professional wrestling fixes.

Why do I therefore watch? Just to see the Judges faces and comments when Ed stays in after all they have done to boot him out. When will they realise that this is an entertainment show about celebrities and not a show about four tired and clapped out has beens.
They were the best dances so why wouldn't they be top of the leader board????
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:36
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I have posted evidence above,
its not evidence as such, its opinion.

and we already got plenty of that.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:43
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Louise was not that good. She has a terrible frame and does not lift herself out of her diaphragm. Danny is by far the best celebrity we have ever seen but Louise is average at best.

What the Judges are paid for is open to conjecture as they seem to think the show is about them rather than the celebrities.
BIB There is no arguing with this
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:53
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Thank you for being observant. It shows who is being provocative.

I agree that the role of the Judges is to mark on dance performance and content and the public to vote for their favourite. In the past, Tess would always say "vote for your favourite" but I see she does not do that now. We just have Claudia Winkleman attempting to be heard over some overly loud mariachi band or Chas and Dave and no one can hear what she is saying.

I just feel that the Judges do not always vote according to performance and content but have their own idea of who they want in the final and if those contestants need a little help, then it is given in the way of marking them as high as possible in order to try and keep them out of the dance off.

You only have to look at Greg and Claudia's dance off. Gregg was clearly the better dancer in the dance off while Claudia seemed to have given up and made numerous errors. However, the power of the Judges came through and while being the better in the dance off, Greg was evicted. I like Claudia and hope she goes through rather than Louise as she has far more obstacles to overcome re height than Louise does.

You never hear the Judges taking into account the age, size, weight differences but why not? If this is purely a dance contest, then pick celebrities with equal abilities. As it's a mixture, you have to take everything into account, not just performance. In the first few years, the Judges actually commented on the "journey" of the celebrities and made allowances for the difference in ability but around season 4, something changed. It's a given that Danny Mac is probably the best celebrity we have ever seen on SCD so if you were Ed Balls, why take part in a contest that you stand no chance of winning if it were all down to the judges? And please lets hear no more of this "it's a disgrace that you are in the dance off, you don't deserve to be here" from them. The show is to entertain the public and the public have voted. (we think, as we don't know what the public vote was or ever will be).
Oh dear, your favourite isn't one of the better dancers and, therefore, is getting a lower score from the judges than the celebrities who are a threat to them. It's very sad
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Old 27-11-2016, 19:45
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The judges are people, they have their favourites, just as we do. I don't think they get orders from up on high telling them what points to give in the cha cha cha thing, but I do think that was going to be the order whatever the dancing had been, because the judges see what they expect to see.

Basically I think it's lowercase predictable rather than scandal FIX and I don't think the marking was about Ed, but if I was a Claudia fan I'd be miffed. I don't think the judges are corrupt but I do think they are blinkered. Just how I feel watching it all for years.
I completely agree with this
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Old 27-11-2016, 20:08
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The judges are people, they have their favourites, just as we do. I don't think they get orders from up on high telling them what points to give in the cha cha cha thing, but I do think that was going to be the order whatever the dancing had been, because the judges see what they expect to see.

Basically I think it's lowercase predictable rather than scandal FIX and I don't think the marking was about Ed, but if I was a Claudia fan I'd be miffed. I don't think the judges are corrupt but I do think they are blinkered. Just how I feel watching it all for years.
Probably true. But marking by expectation defeats the point. Its worse even than those singing competitions where the judges can't hear the singing, and mark on the dress rehearsals......

Its also naive to assume some issues won't shape the result. They would have been in major trouble if Ore had been sent home the week after the media was full of reports about the succession of ethnic minority candidates . There's also a fortuitous history of those contenders who can't do the tour, going home before they could win, or emerge as the main contender.

The general standard of marking here is also shoddy . Allowances are not made for physical matches, difficulty is not rewarded, novelty is rewarded or penalised, sometimes both, and negative comments often consist of small, disputed, points noted in passing, a thumb here. a posture there, or subjective judgements about acting - that none of those judges is qualified to make. And comments often don't match marks, or other markers' comments.

And the process doesn't start, and end, with the marking. There's the dance, music, costume, and staging choices, and running order - which all shape what can be good, and what people will vote for, before and after the event.
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Old 27-11-2016, 20:26
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Oh dear, your favourite isn't one of the better dancers and, therefore, is getting a lower score from the judges than the celebrities who are a threat to them. It's very sad
I can understand how you do not see the Judges fixing the results, you cannot even read my posts.

I have made it quiet clear that I regard Danny Mac as the best celebrity dancer that SCD has ever seen or are you saying he is not one of the better dancers?

Now that is sad.
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Old 27-11-2016, 20:32
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It certainly does feel very manipulated...

With the results now going how the judges wanted i.e: Ed out, regardless of who he ended up in the DO with they'd probably always save the other party

Next year a simple way to avoid all fix cries would be to just abandon these "athons/challenges" all together so there's no possible manipulation... other then the leader board of course...

Will be an interesting change when the old fossil Goodman finally fly's off to sunny America, never to be seen again. Hopefully the new judges will spice things up alittle & shake up the formula! Been kinda repetative this series
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Old 27-11-2016, 20:43
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It's actually very simple there is only a limited number of people who will vote for the worst dancer. They've been doing it since show 1. As other contestants have been voted out the majority of the voters have less dancers to split their voters between. ie: Ed getting 10% of vote meant that the remaining 90% was split between 14 contestants. Last night the 90% was split between 5 dancers.
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Old 27-11-2016, 21:31
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Just wondering the thread started by someone with only 19 post so far


Quite provocative?
How many posts do you have to rack up before you can legitimately start a thread? (Asking for a friend)
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Old 27-11-2016, 21:57
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Totally agree.
I don't think those of us who have given him any votes for entertainment will be doing that tonight. What he did was poor and lacked any entertainment factor that could 'justify' voting for him above others who were all better.
Very Mystic Meg, given the results (which were fair and not a fix)

I just love all these FIX threads!! Every year they appear and yet there's not a single shred of PROPER evidence, just 'I believe my chosen celeb was marked down because another celeb got a higher mark'.

Still, I suppose it keeps some folks happy when they are burning with self righteous indignation.
I know. I wish they'd watch something else, or use that righteous anger for something that actually matters in the real world
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:09
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X Factor viewers claim Honey G stage invasion was planned

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...n-was-planned/










I will not resort to name calling, some evidence above.
That is not evidence, I could find plenty of posts from other Strictly fans claiming Strictly is fixed, would that be evidence?
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Old 28-11-2016, 00:55
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Doesn't the tie at the top make it statistically easier for him to avoid the dance off now?
Exactly
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Old 28-11-2016, 03:15
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Everything that Ola and co said about fixing the marks to ensure the favoured few are top is proven right.
Neither she or her husband are on the show anymore, I'm sure anything Strictly related that comes out of their mouths is sour grapes.

I think the scoring has for the most part been fair and they have booted out those that deserved to go.
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