Yes, mostly shite and a vehicle that enables the producers and their stooges (the judges) to manipulate the vote.
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Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Yes, mostly shite and a vehicle that enables the producers and their stooges (the judges) to manipulate the vote.”
“Yes, mostly shite and a vehicle that enables the producers and their stooges (the judges) to manipulate the vote.”
Yes. That's all it's for. That's how dim they think the public is.
I enjoyed this a-thon and thought all the couples did pretty good . I'll have to watch it again and agree with the scoring only I'd put Danny and Oti top and Louise and Kevin second .
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“I like the concept of keeping the couples on to let them do their whole routines. The trouble is the producer choosing the camera views does not have the same savvy view of the content of the dances that the judges have”
“I like the concept of keeping the couples on to let them do their whole routines. The trouble is the producer choosing the camera views does not have the same savvy view of the content of the dances that the judges have”
But the producers show us the judges much of the time looking at the table, shuffling names, and discussing the order. Sometimes with one watching the dancing, and sometimes none. Elephants could march across the stage and Danny could start doing a highland fling and no judge would notice at times. Worse. as we are being shown the judges. we have no idea either.
The whole thing is a farce because they start assessing content at moment one, when its all based on preformed idea of who can do the requisite moves best, that they confirm with a quick look. Its not about endurance or the mistakes you make, or the really good moves you do later - its about who they think can do the moves best before they start, and if they randomly happen to see any reason to adjust their view later. .
Yes from me, I loathe them and in previous years it has been clear that the judges picked their order before the dancing even started with some of the early call outs made.
It always looks like chaos amd for me it is not entertaining
It always looks like chaos amd for me it is not entertaining
Yes its time to get rid.
Its difficult to follow on TV, we cant see everything that the judges can so it leads to accusations of favouritism and unfair scoring.
Its basically just the producers awarding some points to sort out the leaderboard
Its difficult to follow on TV, we cant see everything that the judges can so it leads to accusations of favouritism and unfair scoring.
Its basically just the producers awarding some points to sort out the leaderboard
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“But the producers show us the judges much of the time looking at the table, shuffling names, and discussing the order. Sometimes with one watching the dancing, and sometimes none. Elephants could march across the stage and Danny could start doing a highland fling and no judge would notice at times. Worse. as we are being shown the judges. we have no idea either.”
“But the producers show us the judges much of the time looking at the table, shuffling names, and discussing the order. Sometimes with one watching the dancing, and sometimes none. Elephants could march across the stage and Danny could start doing a highland fling and no judge would notice at times. Worse. as we are being shown the judges. we have no idea either.”
I always wondered why anybody on a TV show would have to make written notes on a 90 second dance routine. Why can you not just watch it and give an off-the-cuff appraisal. But no, they are probably ticking off a list of the pre-prepared quotes they can use...
Originally Posted by Mrs F:
“to act as a "filler" I'd like to see all the celebs do a group dance, not marked, but just for fun, to see how they've all improved from the group dance in week 1”
“to act as a "filler" I'd like to see all the celebs do a group dance, not marked, but just for fun, to see how they've all improved from the group dance in week 1”
Absolutely I miss those from earlier series when they used to do them and they were a great way to get the celebs to do something a bit different without them taking over the competition.
I put up some links if people are interested but my jive thread contains a link to the gitterbug one done in series five which was great and featured Gethin in Air Force uniform.
Originally Posted by Osusana:
“Yes from me, I loathe them and in previous years it has been clear that the judges picked their order before the dancing even started with some of the early call outs made.
It always looks like chaos amd for me it is not entertaining”
“Yes from me, I loathe them and in previous years it has been clear that the judges picked their order before the dancing even started with some of the early call outs made.
It always looks like chaos amd for me it is not entertaining”
I agree. When the camera moved across to show the judges they had their heads over the table as if they were discussing placements and I don't even know if they were actually watching.
I like the a-thons.
But I think they should change how they are judged.
Each judge should choose their own order without any discussion with the other judges. This would enable them to actually concentrate on the dancing and make a fairer assessment instead of looking down at the table, shuffling cards around and chatting with the other judges for most of the dance.
The final positions should then be calculated by combining the individual positions given by each judge.
But I think they should change how they are judged.
Each judge should choose their own order without any discussion with the other judges. This would enable them to actually concentrate on the dancing and make a fairer assessment instead of looking down at the table, shuffling cards around and chatting with the other judges for most of the dance.
The final positions should then be calculated by combining the individual positions given by each judge.
I would rather see a celeb only group number, but I guess rehearsal time is an issue for that sort of thing.
Maybe a 'spotlight on...' thing where either each celeb, or each couple dances in turn to a particular dance might be better. The -athons always feel like a fix because the camera cuts away here and there and we've no idea who is dancing best because we don't get to see all the couples individually. That's the thing I particularly dislike about them. If each couple danced one by one then I wouldn't have so much of a problem with the concept.
Maybe a 'spotlight on...' thing where either each celeb, or each couple dances in turn to a particular dance might be better. The -athons always feel like a fix because the camera cuts away here and there and we've no idea who is dancing best because we don't get to see all the couples individually. That's the thing I particularly dislike about them. If each couple danced one by one then I wouldn't have so much of a problem with the concept.
On the one hand I find them really boring to watch and think they're a bit of a waste of time. On the other theyre great for drama and people spitting their dummies out over what ultimately ends up being a very small amount of points indeed so I've voted to keep them. They're also probably holding back the producers from incorporating much dumber twists like Team Dances or Partner Swaps or "Dances About Cancer" Week or whatever Dancing With The Stars is doing now.
I agree with Mrs F and katmobile, I used to enjoy the group routines that weren't marked - thank you for posting the links on the other thread, was lovely to watch them again!
I do like all the couples taking to the floor to dance at the same time, and I like it better when all the couples remain on the floor for the whole dance and don't get eliminated after 3 seconds like I think the lindyhop group dance (I might be mis-remembering so feel free to correct if I am!)
Perhaps the way the -athons are marked needs reviewing? Or whether they are marked at all?
I do like all the couples taking to the floor to dance at the same time, and I like it better when all the couples remain on the floor for the whole dance and don't get eliminated after 3 seconds like I think the lindyhop group dance (I might be mis-remembering so feel free to correct if I am!)
Perhaps the way the -athons are marked needs reviewing? Or whether they are marked at all?
Waste of time, apart from allowing the judges to manipulate the leader board..as others have said. Do viewers really get a chance to make any kind of assessment of the couples ? I think most just look out for their favourite(s) and forget the rest.
Think if the judges spread themselves round the floor and it was a 3 minute dance it might work much better. As it is, if you happen to have the slot in front of the judges desk you will get noticed (for good or ill).
They're fun, and actually quite revealing (though it's difficult to see anything without Ultra-HD and sensible camera work - neither of which are available - yet).
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“But the producers show us the judges much of the time looking at the table, shuffling names, and discussing the order. Sometimes with one watching the dancing, and sometimes none. Elephants could march across the stage and Danny could start doing a highland fling and no judge would notice at times. Worse. as we are being shown the judges. we have no idea either.
The whole thing is a farce because they start assessing content at moment one, when its all based on preformed idea of who can do the requisite moves best, that they confirm with a quick look. Its not about endurance or the mistakes you make, or the really good moves you do later - its about who they think can do the moves best before they start, and if they randomly happen to see any reason to adjust their view later. .”
“But the producers show us the judges much of the time looking at the table, shuffling names, and discussing the order. Sometimes with one watching the dancing, and sometimes none. Elephants could march across the stage and Danny could start doing a highland fling and no judge would notice at times. Worse. as we are being shown the judges. we have no idea either.
The whole thing is a farce because they start assessing content at moment one, when its all based on preformed idea of who can do the requisite moves best, that they confirm with a quick look. Its not about endurance or the mistakes you make, or the really good moves you do later - its about who they think can do the moves best before they start, and if they randomly happen to see any reason to adjust their view later. .”
I agree . If they're pretending it's like judging a real competition they should judge like a real competition, where each judge scores on their own, collect the scores and see what order the couples are ranked .
They do make poor television.
I don't know why they're so afraid to introduce some of the twists used regularly on the US version like the Trio week with an extra partner (which makes good use of the eliminated pros) or the Team routines.
I don't know why they're so afraid to introduce some of the twists used regularly on the US version like the Trio week with an extra partner (which makes good use of the eliminated pros) or the Team routines.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I agree . If they're pretending it's like judging a real competition they should judge like a real competition, where each judge scores on their own, collect the scores and see what order the couples are ranked .”
“I agree . If they're pretending it's like judging a real competition they should judge like a real competition, where each judge scores on their own, collect the scores and see what order the couples are ranked .”
Exactly, trouble is, there is just not enough time and it is all too frantic.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Exactly, trouble is, there is just not enough time and it is all too frantic.”
“Exactly, trouble is, there is just not enough time and it is all too frantic.”
If they cut some of the filler out, it could be do-able. In the early -Athons didn't the judges walk round the dance floor looking and tapping couples on the shoulder or did I just make that up?
I find them very tedious, I can't see why there's a need to try and alter the leaderboard, when people have already danced and earned their place on it. Annoying.
It's the name I have a problem with- to my mind, anything called an 'athon' should last more than three minutes...
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