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Favouritism towards Louise
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hansue
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Do they? Last year in the swingathon (or whatever it was), Kevin and Kellie didn't do well, and they were really slated for their show dance in the final. I think people see what they want to see.”

They werent slated by the judges for their show dance. They got 40 in all three dances. Jay was the one who was slated for his showdance.
80sQueen
27-11-2016
She's OK but no more, a little bit wobbly and unsteady in a lot of her dances. I guess Kevin is learning not to outdance his partner or be too frantic as he was with Kellie, but overall I find the pair of them completely beige.

I expect she will make the final but she won't win, in my opinion.
Bunny-Girl
27-11-2016
I have noticed Craig deffinetly has a soft spot for Louise making comments like "I could watch you dance all night" I couldn't I would fall asleep kevin plays it too safe with her.
FingersAndToes
27-11-2016
Do people want to hear her get dragged week after week and get 5 points kess than Danny to be satisfied? She's received crticism, but I guess it's just glossed over.
Reserved
27-11-2016
I've been saying it from day one. It's been obvious that the producers and/or the judges want Kevin to finally pick up the Glitterball.

Danny comes under the category of Natalie/Denise/Pixie/Ricky. Too good to win, public don't like the celebs being THAT good. Come finale night, Louise will be pushed more so than Kellie last year. Danny is a decoy.
Wiskas2
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“Do people want to hear her get dragged week after week and get 5 points kess than Danny to be satisfied? She's received crticism, but I guess it's just glossed over.”

No, it seems most people just want her to be marked fairly. She's competant but not outstanding and should not be getting 10s. And no way did she win the cha cha thing.
FingersAndToes
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“No, it seems most people just want her to be marked fairly. She's competant but not outstanding and should not be getting 10s. And no way did she win the cha cha thing.”

These are just opinions. Judges disagree, as do multiple viewers. It doesn't
mean favoritism.
Ochre
27-11-2016
No favouritism, Louise has deserved her marks and is genuine competition for Danny. He is the showier performer, Louise overall the better technician.

I had other favourites but have really been wowed by Louise over the last few weeks and for me I prefer Kevin's choreo and their more understated style to Oti and Danny's. Louise and Kevin have a great partnership.

If she and Danny both make the Final as it seems almost certain they will then either could win. Not counting Ore and Jo out either.
FingersAndToes
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“No favouritism, Louise has deserved her marks and is genuine competition for Danny. He is the showier performer, Louise overall the better technician.

I had other favourites but have really been wowed by Louise over the last few weeks and for me I prefer Kevin's choreo and their more understated style to Oti and Danny's. Louise and Kevin have a great partnership.

If she and Danny both make the Final as it seems almost certain they will then either could win. Not counting Ore and Jo out either.”

I completely agree with this.

I love Louise's calm, generally nice personality. I prefer her and Kevin's partnership to more in your face pairs. I also LOVE how Kevin adapts so well to his celebs.
alliea_2
27-11-2016
There hasn't been much to say about Louise up until now: she's a very competent but rather boring dancer, I haven't voted for her but haven't minded her going through either. Her marks from the judges have been more consistent and less objectionable than their marks for many of the other dancers.

Louise "winning" the cha cha challenge has really got my back up though. Danny, Rinder and Claudia all did better efforts at it than Louise (she was better than Ore and Ed).
Vodka_Drinka
27-11-2016
I was ambivalent towards Louise until last night, but from what I was watching Danny most certainly out danced her in Cha Cha Chaathon. In fact I saw her go wrong several times, and would say that Ore and Claudia out danced he'd as well. Giving Louise full marks for that, putting her joint top really was massively unfair on Danny I thought, who'd done the dance of the series and was deservedly top. It undermined his achievement,

I don't believe its because she's with Kevin though. I think it's because the the PTB have been trying to get her on the show for years and are now giving her special treatment because of it. It will backfire thought because the viewers dislike being told who to vote for.
wizzywick
27-11-2016
How can any random TV viewer recognise who danced better in the cha cha cha challenge? It's easy to say "No way should have Louise won" but why shouldn't they? I couldn't tell anything about anyone as focus on each couple was limited and the situation was, as always, frantic. I wouldn't know who had the best official moves (which they had to demonstrate - unlike a normal SCD individual routine) and three were constantly in front of the judges at any one time.

I think posters are pretending they know way more about professional dancing (and the cha cha cha challenge was being scored exactly as if it was a professional dance) than they actually do and are just disappointed that the couple they like didn't do better. Sure, some couples made better moves and better steps than Kevin and Louise, but were they the right moves and steps?
wizzywick
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“I was ambivalent towards Louise until last night, but from what I was watching Danny most certainly out danced her in Cha Cha Chaathon. In fact I saw her go wrong several times, and would say that Ore and Claudia out danced he'd as well. Giving Louise full marks for that, putting her joint top really was massively unfair on Danny I thought, who'd done the dance of the series and was deservedly top. It undermined his achievement,

I don't believe its because she's with Kevin though. I think it's because the the PTB have been trying to get her on the show for years and are now giving her special treatment because of it. It will backfire thought because the viewers dislike being told who to vote for.”

Who is telling viewers who to vote for? I like Louise because she's unpretentious. Doesn't mean I'll vote for her though if she's in the final. I wait until the showdances to decide who I would like to win. If the final is Danny, Louise and Ore I might end up voting for any of them. If Claudia is in the final I might end up voting for her too.
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Who is telling viewers who to vote for? I like Louise because she's unpretentious. Doesn't mean I'll vote for her though if she's in the final. I wait until the showdances to decide who I would like to win. If the final is Danny, Louise and Ore I might end up voting for any of them. If Claudia is in the final I might end up voting for her too.”

They may not be telling viewers who to vote for but they are making a pretty good job of marking out their top 3, keeping them clear of danger. It's embarrassing now.
aggs
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“How can any random TV viewer recognise who danced better in the cha cha cha challenge? It's easy to say "No way should have Louise won" but why shouldn't they? I couldn't tell anything about anyone as focus on each couple was limited and the situation was, as always, frantic. I wouldn't know who had the best official moves (which they had to demonstrate - unlike a normal SCD individual routine) and three were constantly in front of the judges at any one time.

I think posters are pretending they know way more about professional dancing (and the cha cha cha challenge was being scored exactly as if it was a professional dance) than they actually do and are just disappointed that the couple they like didn't do better. Sure, some couples made better moves and better steps than Kevin and Louise, but were they the right moves and steps?”

Because that is, in effect, what we are being asked to do. From what we were shown, Louise appeared quite clearly to have a 'moment'. From what we were shown of the other couples, they didn't. I don't need to be an expert to see someone stumble on the dance floor - done it often enough myself.

On the basis of what we were shown, marking her higher than Claudia and Ore was a bit skew whiff but then higher than Danny was just odd.
primer
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Because that is, in effect, what we are being asked to do. From what we were shown, Louise appeared quite clearly to have a 'moment'. From what we were shown of the other couples, they didn't. I don't need to be an expert to see someone stumble on the dance floor - done it often enough myself.

On the basis of what we were shown, marking her higher than Claudia and Ore was a bit skew whiff but then higher than Danny was just odd.”

no its not. you're invited to watch a group dance that is judged by the judges.

you don't see as much as the judges and you certainly don't see it all.

Originally Posted by Ochre:
“No favouritism, Louise has deserved her marks and is genuine competition for Danny. He is the showier performer, Louise overall the better technician.”

i would completely agree with this, and i enjoy watching both of them. it doesn't really matter to me which one of them might lift the ugly trophy at the end, but i'd like to see both of them in the final.

along with ore. and claudia. and thats where my dilemmas begin...
jumpingbudgie
27-11-2016
It's not favouritism towards Louise, its favouritism towards Kevin. The question is, would the judges be oohing and aahing about her if she was dancing with someone else? IMHO no they wouldn't. They've been subtly and sometimes not so subtly pushing for a TTF win since the first year he was on the show. I'm beginning to think maybe they should just give the baby its bottle this year so we can go back to a show that isn't all about promoting the frigging Clifton brand next year.
vald
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“How can any random TV viewer recognise who danced better in the cha cha cha challenge? It's easy to say "No way should have Louise won" but why shouldn't they? I couldn't tell anything about anyone as focus on each couple was limited and the situation was, as always, frantic. I wouldn't know who had the best official moves (which they had to demonstrate - unlike a normal SCD individual routine) and three were constantly in front of the judges at any one time.

I think posters are pretending they know way more about professional dancing (and the cha cha cha challenge was being scored exactly as if it was a professional dance) than they actually do and are just disappointed that the couple they like didn't do better. Sure, some couples made better moves and better steps than Kevin and Louise, but were they the right moves and steps?”

Sport on wizzy. The trouble is at this stage that some fans have their wish list for the top three and are only seeing what they want to see.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“They may not be telling viewers who to vote for but they are making a pretty good job of marking out their top 3, keeping them clear of danger. It's embarrassing now.”

Or maybe they are just judging the dances by the standards set and not by who's cute or funny.
aggs
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by primer:
“no its not. you're invited to watch a group dance that is judged by the judges.

you don't see as much as the judges and you certainly don't see it all.

”

And then cast your vote accordingly.
swan007
27-11-2016
I prefer Louise to Danny. Although he's very good, Louise is far more expressive. I just prefer her.
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“Sport on wizzy. The trouble is at this stage that somefans have their wish list for the top three and are only seeing what they want to see.


Or maybe they are just judging the dances by the standards set and not by who's cute or funny.”

Then they should take into account those who start off good, Danny and Louise had a massive advantage and that should be taken into consideration but it hasn't.
primer
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“And then cast your vote accordingly.”

absolutely. you're invited to vote for your 'favourite'. and off you go. some people even have 6 votes. or 9. or more.

but thats an entirely different thing from your earlier assertion that you're being asked to judge who danced better in the group dance.
vald
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Then they should take into account those who start off good, Danny and Louise had a massive advantage and that should be taken into consideration but it hasn't.”

It's never been a consideration, why would they start this year. Besides if they factored that in Ore would be topping the board as someone with no dance or gymnastic background.
Callous
27-11-2016
I'd say accusations of favouritism could probably aimed towards Claudia over Louise.

The show has given Claudia the pimp spot (last act to dance) in 3 out of the last 6 shows. That's quite an advantage when it comes to voting.
wizzywick
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Then they should take into account those who start off good, Danny and Louise had a massive advantage and that should be taken into consideration but it hasn't.”

Why should anything be taken into account? There was a three minute explanation of the rules before the group dance. It explained that dances would be judged as if it was a professional dance. Any illegal move or step that was not regarded as a cha cha cha would be discounted. Just because some say Louise had a stumble does not make her routine worse because she and Kevin may and probably did demonstrate more precise cha cha cha moves than any other couple. That is what they were scored on.

A person who didn't stumble might not have danced a proper cha cha cha. That was the whole point of the process. I listened to the rules before hand and my opinion is based on what those rules made perfectly clear.
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