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Favouritism towards Louise
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aggs
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by primer:
“absolutely. you're invited to vote for your 'favourite'. and off you go. some people even have 6 votes. or 9. or more.

but thats an entirely different thing from your earlier assertion that you're being asked to judge who danced better in the group dance.”

But you are - you are being asked on the basis of what you are shown to vote for who you think did best overall. The fact that some disagree with the judges or vote for who they just like is neither here nor there.

For me, on the basis of what we were shown Louise wasn't top. If any of the other couples made a boob that wasn't shown. Whether the judges missed her moment bacause they were all looking at others and because it was when she was furthest away from them who knows - but it was unfortunate it was during her designated camera time.
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“It's never been a consideration, why would they start this year. Besides if they factored that in Ore would be topping the board as someone with no dance or gymnastic background.”

Then maybe they should start next year, the format is stale anyway. i would be quite happy for Ore to be topping the board, he has shown a great improvement. Same with Claudia who has a massive height disadvantage.
vald
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Then maybe they should start next year, the format is stale anyway. i would be quite happy for Ore to be topping the board, he has shown a great improvement. Same with Claudia who has a massive height disadvantage.”

It would be impossible to do. You'd have to factor in weight, fitness, age and experience... even, god forbid, looks.
I agree about Ore...he's got my votes the last two weeks.
james_von05
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Domestos:
“But my point still stands about Claudia being saved over Greg

Danny is a great show dancer but his technique isn't always perfect but he is extremely watchable.”

Claudia danced the dance off perfectly - routine and technique... only moron would save greg over her.
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by vald:
“It would be impossible to do. You'd have to factor in weight, fitness, age and experience... even, god forbid, looks.
I agree about Ore...he's got my votes the last two weeks.”

Not at all, just judge on improvement.
primer
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“But you are - you are being asked on the basis of what you are shown to vote for who you think did best overall. The fact that some disagree with the judges or vote for who they just like is neither here nor there.

For me, on the basis of what we were shown Louise wasn't top. If any of the other couples made a boob that wasn't shown. Whether the judges missed her moment bacause they were all looking at others and because it was when she was furthest away from them who knows - but it was unfortunate it was during her designated camera time.”

what i hear said is 'vote for your favourite'. hence ed balls up outlasting daisy, and others.

its not a science. i guess the judges (and me) don't agree with you. but maybe it will help allay fears that the entire programme is stage managed for a louise (kevin) win as its unlikely they would have shown her 'moment' if it were.
Jennifer_F
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Why should anything be taken into account? There was a three minute explanation of the rules before the group dance. It explained that dances would be judged as if it was a professional dance. Any illegal move or step that was not regarded as a cha cha cha would be discounted. Just because some say Louise had a stumble does not make her routine worse because she and Kevin may and probably did demonstrate more precise cha cha cha moves than any other couple. That is what they were scored on.

A person who didn't stumble might not have danced a proper cha cha cha. That was the whole point of the process. I listened to the rules before hand and my opinion is based on what those rules made perfectly clear.”

It doesn't really matter so much if you forget a little choreography at th I s level provided you have solid technique to back it up, you will win if your CCC action is better
In comps if an experienced dancer forgets steps, they are able to hide it, but not so much at beginner level. Everyone will have made mistakes so the judge's will mark from a technical viewpoint only
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“Claudia danced the dance off perfectly - routine and technique... only moron would save greg over her.”

I'll second this and just imagine missing that AT.
wizzywick
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Not at all, just judge on improvement.”

But improvement is rarely consistent. I vote only in the final based on both improvement and consistency. For me, any of Ore, Claudia, Louise or Danny are worthy of my votes. But I will decide after the showdance.
Penny Crayon
27-11-2016
I know that every year there is this 'ringer' argument. I accept that it's damn near impossible to have every single 'celeb' starting out at the some level and that some will have more experience than others.

I do however think that the fact that she was actually a judge on 'So You Think You Can Dance' is a step too far though. Isn't that a a bit of a step too far = from judge to contestant
aggs
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by primer:
“what i hear said is 'vote for your favourite'. hence ed balls up outlasting daisy, and others.

its not a science. i guess the judges (and me) don't agree with you. but maybe it will help allay fears that the entire programme is stage managed for a louise (kevin) win as its unlikely they would have shown her 'moment' if it were.”

Well, it happened during her designated solo camera time, which would have been blocked in advance - so unless Kevin and Louise had a cunning plan to deliberately have a whoopsie for outraged causing purposes* I think it was just unfortunate.
(*there's a rabbit hole for you).
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“But improvement is rarely consistent. I vote only in the final based on both improvement and consistency. For me, any of Ore, Claudia, Louise or Danny are worthy of my votes. But I will decide after the showdance.”

That sounds quite sensible, I don't vote anymore so I am not disappointed.
Fudd
27-11-2016
I'm going to ignore the Cha Cha Challenge as there's enough to question about the marks for their Waltz... only about half of it in hold and it got 39??? What happened to the rules of the dance which the judges have blathered on about, admittedly only when it suits them. Obviously it didn't suit them to do so last night.
yellowlabbie
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I know that every year there is this 'ringer' argument. I accept that it's damn near impossible to have every single 'celeb' starting out at the some level and that some will have more experience than others.

I do however think that the fact that she was actually a judge on 'So You Think You Can Dance' is a step too far though. Isn't that a a bit of a step too far = from judge to contestant”

It's not good that's for sure.
Pebrox
27-11-2016
As Louise herself has said she trained as a dancer, so going into this I expected her technically to be good (though of course you never know quite how they'll take to different dances).

What I've found disappointing about her has been the lack of zing and expression to the dancing. While others in the show have had at least one or two memorable dances, I tend to have forgotten her performance once it's happened and never feel compelled to watch them again.
wizzywick
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pebrox:
“As Louise herself has said she trained as a dancer, so going into this I expected her technically to be good (though of course you never know quite how they'll take to different dances).

What I've found disappointing about her has been the lack of zing and expression to the dancing. While others in the show have had at least one or two memorable dances, I tend to have forgotten her performance once it's happened and never feel compelled to watch them again.”

Actually, yes. I agree with your summary about her dances being unmemorable.

For me, Kevin's dances with Kellie last year were far more memorable. Who can forget the Star Wars Charleston? Or the joyous "Oom Pah Pah" Viennese Waltz? I must admit, as much as I like Louise, now you've mentioned what you did, I can't actually remember any of her dances!
Wiskas2
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pebrox:
“As Louise herself has said she trained as a dancer, so going into this I expected her technically to be good (though of course you never know quite how they'll take to different dances).

What I've found disappointing about her has been the lack of zing and expression to the dancing. While others in the show have had at least one or two memorable dances, I tend to have forgotten her performance once it's happened and never feel compelled to watch them again.”

It's not just her dancing though. She was a bland, forgettable singer and she hasn't shown any spark in her VTs either. Considering she went to stage school, she is very low key altogether. Maybe she was sick on Pizzazz day. I don't want Bonnie Langford mania levels, but just a bit of life would be good.
bornfree
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“It's not just her dancing though. She was a bland, forgettable singer and she hasn't shown any spark in her VTs either. Considering she went to stage school, she is very low key altogether. Maybe she was sick on Pizzazz day. I don't want Bonnie Langford mania levels, but just a bit of life would be good.”

I was wondering why I found her boring. You've hit the nail on the head
RichmondBlue
27-11-2016
I don't find her any more bland than Claudia, and I certainly find Louise is generally more eye-catching. Of course this may often be down to better choreography, music and costumes, things that are out of Claudia's control.
There appears to be a lot of general dislike of the Cliftons on DS, but if people are honest they'll have to admit that Kevin puts together some excellent routines.
Domestos
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by james_von05:
“Claudia danced the dance off perfectly - routine and technique... only moron would save greg over her.”

As overall dancer through the series I would save her but on the night, while she did improve, she still looked very unbalanced in parts.

There must be a hell of a lot of morons here as some of the dance experts also agreed her performance was the poorer.
RichmondBlue
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Domestos:
“As overall dancer through the series I would save her but on the night, while she did improve, she still looked very unbalanced in parts.

There must be a hell of a lot of morons here as some of the dance experts also agreed her performance was the poorer.”

Yes, I thought last night's performance was the best of the series for Claudia. But that was the first time she has shown any emotion or connection to the music.
Before last night I thought she had been treated very kindly by the judges. Louise still edged it for me last night.
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