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Old 27-11-2016, 01:59
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Yeah, the judges should judge her on her boringness not her actual dancing.

So she performs the dance as it should be performed technically, why does that matter, where are the jazz hands, tears and silly camp expressions,?

Andy Murray world number one?

No way! He is way more boring than Djokovic, forget the technical tennis, that is how it should go.



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Well said Maggie. I would go so far as to say if Louise went to a comp tomorrow in either beginner, novice or intermediate grades, she would win. Judges at this level will always score technical dancers highly.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:01
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Well said Maggie. I would go so far as to say if Louise went to a comp tomorrow in either beginner, novice or intermediate grades, she would win. Judges at this level will always score technical dancers highly.
Not if the dance is technically undemanding

It's not difficult to get everything 'right' if the dance is safe and no risks are taken
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:04
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It may be that 'technical merit' is more important than artistic impression, but great dancing always combines both

What you have not mentioned, though, is 'technical difficulty' ... which should also be taken into account

None of Louise's dances have been technically difficult. They involve no risk-taking or brave choreography

For that reason ( never daring to push the envelope and remaining in her comfort zone ) Louise's performances fail to thrill and feel disappointingly 'safe'


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There is no such thing as technical difficulty. The technique is there or its not. Risk taking or brave choreography has nothing to do with technique.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:05
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Every post by Maggie 55 I find myself nodding in remorseless agreement. My head will fall off if I nod anymore .
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:05
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Not if the dance is technically undemanding

It's not difficult to get everything 'right' if the dance is safe and no risks are taken
What risks would you take in a waltz?
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:06
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It may be that 'technical merit' is more important than artistic impression, but great dancing always combines both

What you have not mentioned, though, is 'technical difficulty' ... which should also be taken into account

None of Louise's dances have been technically difficult. They involve no risk-taking or brave choreography

For that reason ( never daring to push the envelope and remaining in her comfort zone ) Louise's performances fail to thrill and feel disappointingly 'safe'


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Oh dear!

So her Argentine Tango was not technically difficult or involved risk in some of the moves?

The fact that the judges said they had never seen one of the moves before and were incredulous at how they managed to pull it off.

Of course no doubt in your distorted view, they were all lying and protecting Louise because of some conspiracy.

It is the same every year.

Why don't you just concentrate on praising your favourite, rather than talking about and trying to talk down the competition with silly conspiracy theories.

The judges don't decide the winner of Strictly, has nobody told you?



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Old 27-11-2016, 02:06
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Every post by Maggie 55 I find myself nodding in remorseless agreement. My head will fall off if I nod anymore .
Good for Maggie,she talks sense
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:08
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Oh dear!

So her Argentine Tango was not technically difficult or involved risk in some of the moves?

The fact that the judges said they had never seen one of the moves before and were incredulous at how they managed to pull it off.

Of course no doubt in your distorted view, they were all lying and protecting Louise because of some conspiracy.

It is the same every year.

Why don't you just concentrate on praising your favourite, rather than talking about and trying to talk down the competition with silly conspiracy theories.

The judges don't decide the winner of Strictly, has nobody told you?



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You are a lady after my own heart Maggie. Thank you
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:10
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I have to say, I've never been a huge fan of Kevin (note: not at all a Clifton hater because I really like Jo, like Karen and I'm not at all petty and have better things to post about than slagging off his hair and conspiracy theories about him being Len's nephew ).

However, I am really liking Louise and Kevin together. I think he has helped her out of her shell and I absolutely think he has done an excelleny job at teaching her the technical points.

I do understand why people think she's dull, but I disagree. I think she's calm with an underside of insecurity and I think Kevin has been at his most likeable for me when with her. I would take Louise over the louder types anyday (Kevin's 2015 partner comes to mind...)

All in all, Louise may be 'vanilla' but hey, we all like different things and I do enjoy a vanilla flavour every now and again! That sounds wrong doesn't it
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:10
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Every post by Maggie 55 I find myself nodding in remorseless agreement. My head will fall off if I nod anymore .
My head is hurting.........STOP.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:10
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Is it that she's unpopular or that people prefer others? I've neither voted for her nor bad-mouthed her or Kevin... (I rather like Kevin). They're simply not a big part of this year's Strictly for me.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:13
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There is no such thing as technical difficulty. The technique is there or its not. Risk taking or brave choreography has nothing to do with technique.
I disagree

Danny has made mistakes in some of his dances because they were so 'technically difficult'

If he and Oti had played it safe like Louise and Kevin have, then there would have been no mistakes ... he is the better dancer, afterall

Danny has taken risks though, by challenging himself to take on technically difficult dances. That's why some of his performances have been thrilling and exciting, whereas Louise's have not
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:16
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Oh dear!

So her Argentine Tango was not technically difficult or involved risk in some of the moves?

The fact that the judges said they had never seen one of the moves before and were incredulous at how they managed to pull it off.

Of course no doubt in your distorted view, they were all lying and protecting Louise because of some conspiracy.

It is the same every year.

Why don't you just concentrate on praising your favourite, rather than talking about and trying to talk down the competition with silly conspiracy theories.

The judges don't decide the winner of Strictly, has nobody told you?



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Your tone is very rude and condescending

There's no need for that


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Old 27-11-2016, 02:20
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I managed to overcome James Jordan to show DVO some support so I can look past Kevin. But, she just never does anything that I'm dying to watch again. None of her performances leave an enduring emotional impression on me and that's because Louise herself doesn't really give herself to the performance - not properly. Tonight she danced prettily but she wasn't radiant - she still spent most of the dance looking down at the floor. It's frustrating cos I really wanted to like her dancing as much as I've always liked her but it's dullsville.

I don't think the partnership's irrelevant though. They're not well matched IMO. Each trying to adjust their personality a bit to be more like the other - but it's not working. Kevin needs someone he doesn't have to hold back with - a Susanna or Kellie not a Louise or Frankie and she'd probably be better off with an Aljaz or Pasha - if Jamie would let her
Hi Sid ***waving frantically***
(I made it back through the portal with a slight change of passport )

I see you've hit the nail on the head again.
I find it hard to equate Louise Redknapp with the girl in Eternal all those years ago.
Someone else mentioned Stepford and that's about right - she's the complete antithesis of a footballer's wife as we (or at least I!) know them.

Kevin, although the elder sibling, seems to me to live somewhat in the shadow of his more extrovert sister, but you just know he wants to throw off the shackles - it shows in his pasos and tangos.
He was able to live it up with Kellie (I wanted them to win) but Louise cannot take that vital step away from her 'mumsy' image.

I do hate it when tptb use the celeb to bring in their more famous spouse - remember the carry on with Hamela and Billy?
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:21
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I disagree

Danny has made mistakes in some of his dances because they were so 'technically difficult'

If he and Oti had played it safe like Louise and Kevin have, then there would have been no mistakes ... he is the better dancer, afterall

Danny has taken risks though, by challenging himself to take on technically difficult dances. That's why some of his performances have been thrilling and exciting, whereas Louise's have not
"technically difficult" what do you mean by that - the technique for a dance is the technique - there are no degrees of technique
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:26
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Your tone is very rude and condescending

Good!

Your opinion encourages me, because I think your judgement is way off, so I am pretty sure I am not and must be the opposite!



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Old 27-11-2016, 02:29
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"technically difficult" what do you mean by that - the technique for a dance is the technique - there are no degrees of technique
I mean 'content'

Do you agree that some of the celebrities employ 'more' technique in their dances than others ? ... and that the dance is more difficult to master as a consequence ?
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:32
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"technically difficult" what do you mean by that - the technique for a dance is the technique - there are no degrees of technique
But surely some elements of dance are harder for a beginner to master? It's not just a matter of adherence to an always absolute standard of technique without regard to complexity if you've got two left feet and wonky knees (for example)?

It feels like common sense to say there are degrees of hard-to-do-it-ness???
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:34
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Good!

Your opinion encourages me, because I think your judgement is way off, so I am pretty sure I am not and must be the opposite!



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There is nothing 'good' about being rude and unpleasant to a fellow member merely because they politely express an opinion with which you disagree

Anyway, done


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Old 27-11-2016, 02:35
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Good!

Your opinion encourages me, because I think your judgement is way off, so I am pretty sure I am not and must be the opposite!



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As an impartial reader, not knowing either you or Spot, I'm sorry to say I agree with him that you're a tad condescending. That's not to disagree with your point. I don't know enough to do that. But you do seem to be talking down to folk.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:37
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"technically difficult" what do you mean by that - the technique for a dance is the technique - there are no degrees of technique
Thanks Bendy, was just going to say the same thing.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:39
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There is nothing 'good' about being rude and unpleasant to a fellow member merely because they politely express an opinion with which you disagree
Again, you seem to conflate your opinions and conspiracy theories with reality and facts.

I am just pointing out they are not the same.



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Old 27-11-2016, 02:47
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As an impartial reader, not knowing either you or Spot, I'm sorry to say I agree with him that you're a tad condescending. That's not to disagree with your point. I don't know enough to do that. But you do seem to be talking down to folk.
Ok.

However, I have not been the one intimating that the judges are conspiring to try and make a particular contestant the winner, ignoring the contestants actual dance performances.

What do you make of those remarks?

Sounds pretty actually libelous to me, assuming they are not wearing tin foil hats!


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Old 27-11-2016, 02:58
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There is nothing 'good' about being rude and unpleasant to a fellow member merely because they politely express an opinion with which you disagree

Anyway, done


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Here, here. The post was horrible. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the forum is for discussing the show, NOT insulting other posters.
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Old 27-11-2016, 02:59
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Lovely woman, however, overmarked by judges. That gets people's back up.
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