I like Louise AND Kevin, it isn't KEVIN's fault that he gets good-on paper contestants every year. 
Is Louise Not Popular On Here Because Of Kevin?
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Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
I think most of us got she was talking about Strictly !
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
Greg said the same thing. I think a few more will too before the series is out.
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
“Passion....no. She spoke as if she was asking someone to pass the salt. And isn't it a little worrying that dancing a few steps for less than two minutes makes her happier than her wedding day/the birth of her children/Christmas/birthdays, etc?”
Careful, careful - look at my thread below - you'll be pounced on - criticism not allowed
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2191247
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2191261
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“FFS!
She very clearly meant it's the happiest she's been whilst dancing in Strictly.
Do you lot just go out of your way to be as literal and obtuse as possible for the sake of sheer contrariness?
No don't bother to answer. There's really no need.
”
“FFS!
She very clearly meant it's the happiest she's been whilst dancing in Strictly.
Do you lot just go out of your way to be as literal and obtuse as possible for the sake of sheer contrariness?
No don't bother to answer. There's really no need.
”
And there's no need for you to be so damn rude!
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“FFS!
She very clearly meant it's the happiest she's been whilst dancing in Strictly.”
“FFS!
She very clearly meant it's the happiest she's been whilst dancing in Strictly.”
This.
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
Watch it back. When Louise said that, it was with a big smile on her face - so she looked happy.
But let's not let facts get in the way.
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“And there's no need for you to be so damn rude!”
“And there's no need for you to be so damn rude!”
It's not rude to point out the truth.
However it is perfectly appropriate to point out your deliberate - and frankly rather unnecessary - misinterpretation of her words. It was very obvious what Louise meant by that statement so really, if anyone is rude, it's the person who has deliberately misconstrued Louise's words in order to attempt to make her look thoughtless or disrespectful to her family... and from where I'm standing, that person would appear to be you.
.On that basis, I'm scarcely going to accept any lessons on good manners from you, am I?
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“It's not rude to point out the truth.
However it is perfectly appropriate to point out your deliberate - and frankly rather unnecessary - misinterpretation of her words. It was very obvious what Louise meant by that statement so really, if anyone is rude, it's the person who has deliberately misconstrued Louise's words in order to attempt to make her look thoughtless or disrespectful to her family... and from where I'm standing, that person would appear to be you..
On that basis, I'm scarcely going to accept any lessons on good manners from you, am I?”
“It's not rude to point out the truth.
However it is perfectly appropriate to point out your deliberate - and frankly rather unnecessary - misinterpretation of her words. It was very obvious what Louise meant by that statement so really, if anyone is rude, it's the person who has deliberately misconstrued Louise's words in order to attempt to make her look thoughtless or disrespectful to her family... and from where I'm standing, that person would appear to be you.
.On that basis, I'm scarcely going to accept any lessons on good manners from you, am I?
”
No, darling, but you do need to learn good manners from someone.
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“No, darling, but you do need to learn good manners from someone.”
“No, darling, but you do need to learn good manners from someone.”
I'm not your "darling" and I'm in no need of any sort of lecture on manners - least of all from someone like you.
Now off you trot and vent your spleen on someone who might be impressed by your mean, spiteful and manipulative comments - but it certainly won't be me.
Have the last word if you like. I won't be reading it.
Toodle pip!
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
Nutshell.
Claudia is starting to get this. Ore manages it when things go well. Rob Rinder used to have it, but seems to have gone off the boil. Ed always had it.
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
“I think the point is there is a difference between saying something makes you feel happy, and looking like something is making you happy
Take Danny this week for instance, there was a moment during his Samba when his head went back and there was a look of pure joy on his face
He didn't need to tell us that dance made him feel happy ... we could see it did”
Now, you see I'm one of these people who tends not to let my emotions show overtly. Often I've been told to "cheer up" by someone, even when I'm actually perfectly content. I just don't tend to go around with an immense grin from ear to ear all day.
I'm a fairly reserved person and I don't necessarily show what I'm feeling in my face - and certainly not because someone else thinks I ought to. Not everyone is an open book and I don't necessarily feel that someone expressing their emotions in a more contained manner is any less sincere than someone who does so in a flamboyant or exuberant fashion.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Now, you see I'm one of these people who tends not to let my emotions show overtly. Often I've been told to "cheer up" by someone, even when I'm actually perfectly content. I just don't tend to go around with an immense grin from ear to ear all day.
I'm a fairly reserved person and I don't necessarily show what I'm feeling in my face - and certainly not because someone else thinks I ought to. Not everyone is an open book and I don't necessarily feel that someone expressing their emotions in a more contained manner is any less sincere than someone who does so in a flamboyant or exuberant fashion.”
“Now, you see I'm one of these people who tends not to let my emotions show overtly. Often I've been told to "cheer up" by someone, even when I'm actually perfectly content. I just don't tend to go around with an immense grin from ear to ear all day.
I'm a fairly reserved person and I don't necessarily show what I'm feeling in my face - and certainly not because someone else thinks I ought to. Not everyone is an open book and I don't necessarily feel that someone expressing their emotions in a more contained manner is any less sincere than someone who does so in a flamboyant or exuberant fashion.
”
Well said.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Nutshell.
Claudia is starting to get this. Ore manages it when things go well. Rob Rinder used to have it, but seems to have gone off the boil. Ed always had it.”
“Nutshell.
Claudia is starting to get this. Ore manages it when things go well. Rob Rinder used to have it, but seems to have gone off the boil. Ed always had it.”
Did you not read what I said about Louise smiling when she said it was the happiest she's ever been, (in Strictly)? If that's not seeing her happy, then I don't know what is.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Now, you see I'm one of these people who tends not to let my emotions show overtly. Often I've been told to "cheer up" by someone, even when I'm actually perfectly content. I just don't tend to go around with an immense grin from ear to ear all day.
I'm a fairly reserved person and I don't necessarily show what I'm feeling in my face - and certainly not because someone else thinks I ought to. Not everyone is an open book and I don't necessarily feel that someone expressing their emotions in a more contained manner is any less sincere than someone who does so in a flamboyant or exuberant fashion.”
“Now, you see I'm one of these people who tends not to let my emotions show overtly. Often I've been told to "cheer up" by someone, even when I'm actually perfectly content. I just don't tend to go around with an immense grin from ear to ear all day.
I'm a fairly reserved person and I don't necessarily show what I'm feeling in my face - and certainly not because someone else thinks I ought to. Not everyone is an open book and I don't necessarily feel that someone expressing their emotions in a more contained manner is any less sincere than someone who does so in a flamboyant or exuberant fashion.
”
Television is an odd medium, where joy can come through even for the reserved.
Oddly the year Tom won, you really got his joy of dancing. Even Lisa managed to quietly show a genuine love of dancing despite the judges favouritism and lack of voter support. Where Rachel remained so self contained no matter how beautifully she danced it never drew all of the audience in.
It is plain as the nose on my face how much Kevin loves dancing, just sad he hasn't managed to get Louise to open up just a little when she dances. This is what I need as a viewer in order to support someone. No good someone saying afterwards how much they loved something, by then it is too late, the moment to sell that love is when you dance.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“Well said.
Did you not read what I said about Louise smiling when she said it was the happiest she's ever been, (in Strictly)? If that's not seeing her happy, then I don't know what is.”
“Well said.
Did you not read what I said about Louise smiling when she said it was the happiest she's ever been, (in Strictly)? If that's not seeing her happy, then I don't know what is.”
Saying so afterwards is too late. During the dance is when she needs to let people in to her joy.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Saying so afterwards is too late. During the dance is when she needs to let people in to her joy.”
“Saying so afterwards is too late. During the dance is when she needs to let people in to her joy.”
Why is it too late?
A lot of people watch the results show, so will have seen her saying it.It's not as if she's dancing round with a miserable expression on her face and saying that she's hating every minute of it. I can clearly see that she's enjoying it.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Television is an odd medium, where joy can come through even for the reserved.
Oddly the year Tom won, you really got his joy of dancing. Even Lisa managed to quietly show a genuine love of dancing despite the judges favouritism and lack of voter support. Where Rachel remained so self contained no matter how beautifully she danced it never drew all of the audience in.
It is plain as the nose on my face how much Kevin loves dancing, just sad he hasn't managed to get Louise to open up just a little when she dances. This is what I need as a viewer in order to support someone. No good someone saying afterwards how much they loved something, by then it is too late, the moment to sell that love is when you dance.”
“Television is an odd medium, where joy can come through even for the reserved.
Oddly the year Tom won, you really got his joy of dancing. Even Lisa managed to quietly show a genuine love of dancing despite the judges favouritism and lack of voter support. Where Rachel remained so self contained no matter how beautifully she danced it never drew all of the audience in.
It is plain as the nose on my face how much Kevin loves dancing, just sad he hasn't managed to get Louise to open up just a little when she dances. This is what I need as a viewer in order to support someone. No good someone saying afterwards how much they loved something, by then it is too late, the moment to sell that love is when you dance.”
Well, maybe because I share the same sort of emotional reserve that Louise does, I can understand her better. Personally I don't have any issues with her as I think she seems very happy to be doing what she's doing. It's just that she's not a gushy or overtly emotional type of person so she evidently prefers to keep that a little "contained".
I just know I'd be the same, so I would find it hard and unfair to criticise her for something I would not be comfortable about doing myself. In fact I empathise fully with her preference to maintain that emotional composure.
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“This.
Watch it back. When Louise said that, it was with a big smile on her face - so she looked happy.
But let's not let facts get in the way.”
“This.
Watch it back. When Louise said that, it was with a big smile on her face - so she looked happy.
But let's not let facts get in the way.”
Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that
I come back to this thread, and now Louise is even critiqued for saying she's happy doing the show. Her smiling is critiqued, and she doesn't express herself like Danny does, so she's just all around wrong. Smh. *Walks back out thread again*
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
Yes she does.
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
I think she does look like she's enjoying it.
IIRC, didn't she, or someone else on the show say that when she did her paso doble, she couldn't stop herself from breaking into a smile at one point because she was enjoying it?
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
“Of course she had a big smile on her face
She's ALWAYS got a big smile on her face .... it never goes away, she even talks through it !
The point is she never comes across as being joyful in her dancing. She never looks like she's enjoying it ... it's as if it's a chore she wants to complete efficiently with no passion or fun involved whatsoever
Grinning inanely all the time does not equate to that”
People see what they want to see!
For me [as someone who likes Louise] it is obvious Louise is loving it and I've seen plenty of passion/love of the dance from her for you [who probably support someone else] you don't - probably prejudice on both our parts.
I do think both Louise and Ore are both getting unnecessary backlash [for perceived favouritism] and unpleasant comments/judgements for what is only an entertainment show after all is said and done ... plus if people are right about manipulation [a big 'if'} by producers the 'journey' for Danny with his 'undermarked scores then 2 x 40's is a much better way of swinging votes
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Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Television is an odd medium, where joy can come through even for the reserved.
Oddly the year Tom won, you really got his joy of dancing. Even Lisa managed to quietly show a genuine love of dancing despite the judges favouritism and lack of voter support. Where Rachel remained so self contained no matter how beautifully she danced it never drew all of the audience in.
It is plain as the nose on my face how much Kevin loves dancing, just sad he hasn't managed to get Louise to open up just a little when she dances. This is what I need as a viewer in order to support someone. No good someone saying afterwards how much they loved something, by then it is too late, the moment to sell that love is when you dance.”
“Television is an odd medium, where joy can come through even for the reserved.
Oddly the year Tom won, you really got his joy of dancing. Even Lisa managed to quietly show a genuine love of dancing despite the judges favouritism and lack of voter support. Where Rachel remained so self contained no matter how beautifully she danced it never drew all of the audience in.
It is plain as the nose on my face how much Kevin loves dancing, just sad he hasn't managed to get Louise to open up just a little when she dances. This is what I need as a viewer in order to support someone. No good someone saying afterwards how much they loved something, by then it is too late, the moment to sell that love is when you dance.”
The problem is that all this is subjective though. People can talk about how transparent it is that some people are loving it and transmitting some sort of "joy of dance" that other people aren't (that's if they like them of course, if they don't it's usually deemed to be "mugging", "playing to the back row" and "desperation") but at base it's perception at best and pure woo woo at worst. People told me til they were blue in the face that Widdy was really throwing herself into it, giving it her all, and loving every minute, and the public must have bought it to an extent because she finished 6th in a highly competitive year. I thought she was a miserable arse who loved nothing more than the attention. Conversely if you'd asked most people on here during Series 7 how Ali Bastian was feeling they'd say she looked like a damp miserable sheep who was terrified of everything. And yet she really comitted to keeping up ballroom dancing after the series and apparently loved every minute.
As a sidenote I can think of three winners who came across to me personally as miserable, disinterested, and like they were punching in the clock for a particularly dry office job respectively. Doesn't mean everyone saw it that way, but nothing is universal.
Originally Posted by vald:
“Partly because of Kevin and partly because she is a threat to some people's favourite reaching the final. And of course it is entirely her fault if the judges compliment her or give her a decent score.😏”
“Partly because of Kevin and partly because she is a threat to some people's favourite reaching the final. And of course it is entirely her fault if the judges compliment her or give her a decent score.😏”
Considering my favourite went out week before last, and was never in the same realm, technique-wise, with Louise, I can honestly say that for me, you're full of....something.
She's just boring. Watching her dance is like watching an automaton, and watching her off the dance floor is a good cure for insomnia. When your most interesting moment is having banana-flavoured burps, it's just not working for me.
I'm really starting to think that on a hindsight, she's lucky that she got him as a pro. She would've been out or hit the bottom 2 already with another pro imo. Yes Kevin can be really divisive but he has helped their partnership more than hindered it.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Conversely if you'd asked most people on here during Series 7 how Ali Bastian was feeling they'd say she looked like a damp miserable sheep who was terrified of everything. And yet she really comitted to keeping up ballroom dancing after the series and apparently loved every minute.
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“Conversely if you'd asked most people on here during Series 7 how Ali Bastian was feeling they'd say she looked like a damp miserable sheep who was terrified of everything. And yet she really comitted to keeping up ballroom dancing after the series and apparently loved every minute.
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I agree with all of your post but particularly wanted to comment on this. This is a very common problem for anyone learning to dance. They'll be concentrating on and trying to absorb so much information and do it right: choreograpy, technique. Someone can be absolutely committed and loving it but that may not come across. As people get more experienced it becomes much easier to transmit enjoyment.
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