Very much like her singing then!!
Talk about overrated!!

Where and how did Karen publicly denounce Ola? They had an argument 3 years ago, Karen apologised, she was harassed on twitter non stop for months and months, and still gets called a bully, three years later. Oh and Ola wrote about it in her book, in her story she said and did nithing, Karen just attacked her from out of the blue.

I liked the Kevin & Karen dance, to Ellie Goulding singing.

I think this is the reason - also perhaps that there are 3 Cliftons which does seem a bit odd with all the dancers out there. I do hope Kevin gets a duffer next year just to see if he can do as well with a non-talented dancer as Katya did with Ed. I also think Kevin tries to hard in interviews.

They seem quite arrogant even though they try hard to hide it.

To be fair I would say only Frankie and Louise are obvious contenders.

With Kellie and Suzannah it could of gone either way and I think people should give Kevin more credit for his teaching to the fact he may make four finals in a row, it's one thing being partnered with a decent celeb but they still have to put the work in to make the final.

It does make me laugh when people think the Clifton's are being favoured in general. Poor Jo wasn't even given a celeb last year and the year before that got dumped with Scott Mills the duffiest of duffers, and Karen got Jeremy, who while great was nowhere near a contender.

My take for what it's worth:

Kevin - in 4 years has had 3 celeb partners who are the wrong side of 40 compared to any previous winners and one clear 'favourite' from the beginning. That he managed to get both Susannah and Kellie to the finals is, to me, a sign of a decent teacher. On a personal basis I do find him a bit manic, but to say he's being favoured is no different to Aljaz, who has had 3 potential contenders and a duffer....

Joanne - first year a real duffer in Scott Mills and did well to get him as far as she did with some clever choreography to hide the worst of his weaknesses. Last year, no celeb - did she grumble and moan and flounce, no she just got on with it and worked hard on the associated bits they gave her and won herself quite a few friends when she did Choreography Corner on ITT, so having a contender this year is her reward for that. To be honest, right at the beginning I didn't necessarily have Ore down as one of the male favourites (thought he'd be behind both Will and Danny and possibly Greg as well).

Karen - until this year has only had one real contender in Mark Wright and even he, at the start, wouldn't necessarily have been picked out as a potential finalist. Other than that she's done her time with the guy from Westlife (or Boyzone...) and Dave Myers and Jeremy Vine getting both of the latter further than some might have thought they would go. This year ok she had a real early favourite in Will, but that didn't turn out so well did it...

So to say they are favoured and always given the best celebs is I think stretching the point a bit....

There are several couples within the Strictly professional family so nothing odd about Karen and Kevin (unless having the same initial is a problem) but no one jumps up and down about that.

Kevin just happens to have a very talented sister who has made her own name in the dancing world.

It's not Kevin's fault that Bruce laboured the point of Kevin from Grimsby. I'm sure in the competing world that's not how he was known.

The Cliftons are hated (and also loved) because reality TV shows incite fan warz.

The end.

They're not unpopular, except here on DS. One of the reasons Louise is so close to Danny in the betting is because Kevin is so popular. If Louise was partnered with anyone else, Danny would be practically a certainty to win.

^^^ This.

I totally agree with this. Also Kevin tries so hard to be 'cool' with his silly hair, hats, that kick at the beginning but he just isn't. Of the 6 pages of comments on Kevin not one person EVER says they find him sexy. Because he most definitely isn't.

If you're fed up with Kevin reaching the finals so often and Brendan and Pasha not reaching it, is that not down to the voting patterns of the viewing public?

The way you express this makes it sound as if you think that passage into the final is pre-ordained and that this is somehow grounds for disliking Kevin.

Just stop bringing facts and logic into it.

This is "The Cliftons" we're talking about!

Facts and logic just don't come into it.

^^^^ AGREE

I suppose it depends on whether you believe Kevin would've got Naga or Anastacia to the final, or Pasha/Brendan would've gone out in the first few weeks with Louise.

So, based on nothing more than arbitrary speculation over the potential outcome of a set of completely different circumstances, this is apparently justification (according to some people) for ongoing and relentless criticism of Kevin Clifton.

It's more than just slightly contrived - not to mention 'desperate" - is it not?

In fairness Brendan and Natalie got the pimp slot in the Remembrance day show dancing to a far more memorable act which was there to pay tribute to the late Leonard Cohen - Brendan wasn't in the competition at that point but Natalie still was. Because of that they could really do another Brendan and Natalie pro dance and there were the only obvious pairing where neither of the pros were in contention. With more female celebs leaving than men it means that a lot of the female pros were still in contention until the dynamic started to shift a bit after Blackpool that makes it very hard to do a routine that doesn't feature someone still in the competition. To do so before Blackpool would have meant partnering Karen with someone other than Kevin which would have been odd or putting Janette with a random male pro. Also people would then have complained about Janette and Karen dominating all the leads for the pro dances.

I agree, much fairer for them all to take their turn, otherwise,there would be all manner of untrue conspiracies.

There you go, bringing logic and practical common sense into things again!

.... what - like you mean of the sort that there currently aren't?

Sorry about that

Ok - so the real reason is that they are the spawn of satan and are resonsible for Kittens and Puppies dying, for Brexit, for Donald Trump being president elect and for School Dinners of lumpy mashed potato.....

And vile pink blancmange....

Is that better.....

As I'm pretty neutral on Kevin generally, I don't really see any more 'ongoing and relentless criticism' of him than Anton gets (but that seems to be ok with everyone for some reason) just a few people saying he has been lucky to get good contestants every year. You could just as easily say it's slightly 'desperate' to say the producers had no idea that a woman who had already danced in and won a CIN special would be any good, or that no one could know a stage school pop star who had been judge on a dance competition would be good because she's over 35 etc.

I don't actually think there is some massive Clifton favouritism conspiracy. I do think there are certain pros the producers want to 'make happen' for whatever reason and they will give them people with potential until they win. They did it with Pasha, although now he's won he's probably consigned to the Brendan/Anton role of wading through duffers and middle-of-the-roaders hoping for the occasional Sophie or Katie to relieve the boredom. Maybe Kevin should be hoping he doesn't win .

You forgot about this also being their fault.....

Ha ha! Yes.

I doubt the Cliftons are as unpopular as some of the try hards on this forum like to think.

Each time a poster has been given a lesson in objectivity regarding the Cliftons, they tend to skulk off until the next negative thread comes along.