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I'm surprised Trevgo isn't here, wetting himself all over the forum
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#277 |
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Brexit will still happen. It's just this pushes us towards pathetic Brexit lite territory.
Anyway, bye Zac. You won't be missed and had this coming. Lib Dems are still coattail riders and opportunists in my eyes. |
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The EEA and Customs Union memberships here we come.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown. |
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Well! What a surprise! Majority constituency opposed to Brexit votes for a Liberal Undemocrat opposed to Brexit.
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Great news. Goldsmith is a very unpleasant man who used dog whistle tactics in the mayoral election.
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I have to say this is a stonking victory for remain.
It sends a huge message to the hardline brexiteers that voters do not want what you think they want. But I think the message is already being heard, even David Davis yesterday has raised the chances the gov will pursue a single market deal with us paying into the club with free movement. The game is nearly up for the brexiteers. We're going to win the long war after losing one battle. |
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The EEA and Customs Union memberships here we come.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown. |
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Neil is probably the best political broadcaster we have. He's deliberately provocative in that manner to politicians of all colours.
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Yes, I heard that! Maybe the Tories should have run a remainer and an anti-Heathrow candidate against him?
I get the impression Zac believed he would walk it! Bet he regrets his decision if he does lose! Quote:
John Curtis suggests that if LibDems win it could be due to Labour voters turning away from Corbyn and choosing LibDems as an alternative. Interesting.
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The look on John Curtice's face when Diane Abbott was ranting about his analysis being rubbish was priceless. And sums up the look that most people have when she opens her mouth.
This is the guy who led the team that delivered a spot-on exit poll last year. Somehow I think he knows what he's talking about. He's one of the highlights of elections, and I love that he's so unashamedly academic looking. Quote:
I think Goldsmith made the mistake of thinking the ByElection would be about Heathrow, when the Lib Dems made it about Brexit.
The trouble is that both were against Heathrow, but he was pro Brexit in a Remain area, so he was always onto a loser. Quote:
Excellent result that couldn't have happened to a smugger git. So much for his hissy fit
![]() Shame the Labour party couldn't have saved themselves the embarrassment and gone for not putting up a candidate but at least the Labour voters deserted en masse, Wolmar losing his deposit is is a nice final giggle, at least it will be when the Labour party spinners try to explain why the party is in anyway still relevant when Jerry's popularity has engorged Richmond CLP to 1600+ members but they could still only muster 1515 votes ![]() Many Tories will insist that the LibDems didn't beat an actual Tory candidate, but the reality is that the LibDems beat the Tories AND UKIP combined. They had the backing of many Greens and some Labour, as well as groups like the WEP and MoreUnited. This was a very particular sort of by-election, but it goes to show that collaborative working is worth it in at least some instances. I expect to see more of it in the future. |
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#284 |
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Lol at people thinking a single by-election is going to make any difference to the deal we do with the EU
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Well done Lib dumbs, old money wins its seat back. Now lets get on with Heathrow expansion with no damage to the Tories........ you dumbs...... Suckers.
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I meant to add that I think a lot of people were very unhappy with how Goldsmith campaigned in the London Mayor election, and of course the arrogance of calling an expensive by-election when simply crossing the house would have had the same result.
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Well done to the Lib Dems for beating an unpopular independent candidate.
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I meant to add that I think a lot of people were very unhappy with how Goldsmith campaigned in the London Mayor election, and of course the arrogance of calling an expensive by-election when simply crossing the house would have had the same result.
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Yes, he could have just resigned the whip. He'd backed himself into a corner though and obviously thought he would win.
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Yes, but he expected to be London Mayor by the time he did the honourable thing and stand down. In that circumstance, I doubt he'd have stood again.
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Are we really going to get excited about 53% of people in one of the most prosperous areas of the country registering a protest vote against the government (who didn't even field a candidate) and dumping a charisma- free sitting MP who decided to turn himself into a one issue candidate at precisely the wrong time.
It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable. Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result. |
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It reduces the government majority and thus makes passing an anti-Brexit bill more difficult. That's significant no matter how desperately Tory apologists try to spin it.
It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable. Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result.
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Been watching BBC breakfast for nigh on half an hour and no mention of the by-election at all. Odd.
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Been watching BBC breakfast for nigh on half an hour and no mention of the by-election at all. Odd.
He must have said it ten times in the last interview I saw. It's amazing that someone who is supposedly intelligent thinks that nobody voted for a hard Brexit. Especially when the whole out campaign was about immigration, making our own laws, not paying in etc and even the remain side said an out vote meant leaving the single market. |
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This is going to send shock waves across the Country apparently. And shows the UK people are overwhelmingly against a hard Brexit.
The Lib dems must be smoking some good shit. |
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If you think one vote is going to swing it, then yes, I suppose it is significant
![]() The leaking of possible options for staying in the Single Market yesterday were probably linked to the polls showing the election was close, and it will give confidence to Tory MPs who were firm Remainers to make themselves heard. |
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The Tories aren't going to admit it in public, but they will be concerned. The PM's own constituency isn't that different in demographics to Richmond, which she will have noticed.
The leaking of possible options for staying in the Single Market yesterday were probably linked to the polls showing the election was close, and it will give confidence to Tory MPs who were firm Remainers to make themselves heard. |
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What great news for remainers, it looks like brexit may never happen or if it does it will be so lite it will feel like it never happened, let us hope this is the start of the end of brexit, yes please
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No. I just listened to her rabid speech that's all.
Got a link for the rabid bit? |
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Its a fascinating result for so many reasons:
1. It shows Remainers aren't going to lie down and accept whatever cackhanded deal Mayhem and the Three Brexiteers cook up. The 'we are all Brexiteers now' mantra isn't happening. 2. A lot of the comments from Brexiteers over this result have been nasty and full of vile and venom for the people of this constituency - just look at the comments on the Daily Mail website. 3. Its fairly astonishing that Brexit is a bigger concern to people in Richmond than Heathrow expansion - Goldsmith pretty much got elected there originally by campaigning on Heathrow. 4. I am pretty sure that the election next week in a Brexit voting area will have a very different result. It seems since the referendum that views on both sides have hardened rather than wavered. 5. If May held a general election tomorrow the demographics of the vote for the Tory party could change substantially - losing lots of middle class and urban voters, and taking on lots of less educated northern voters. 6. Labour had a disastrous night. Corbyn is heading for a LAbour vote meltdown in 2020. 7. Goldsmith's reputation is badly tainted by his nasty mayoral bid - he may have trouble ever shaking this off if he wants to stay in politics. |
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