Originally Posted by Mark39London:
“I'm surprised Trevgo isn't here, wetting himself all over the forum
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“I'm surprised Trevgo isn't here, wetting himself all over the forum
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He probably did, which is why nurse has put him to bed
Richmond Park by-election
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Brexit will still happen. It's just this pushes us towards pathetic Brexit lite territory.
Anyway, bye Zac. You won't be missed and had this coming. Lib Dems are still coattail riders and opportunists in my eyes.
Anyway, bye Zac. You won't be missed and had this coming. Lib Dems are still coattail riders and opportunists in my eyes.
The EEA and Customs Union memberships here we come.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown.
Well! What a surprise! Majority constituency opposed to Brexit votes for a Liberal Undemocrat opposed to Brexit.
Great news. Goldsmith is a very unpleasant man who used dog whistle tactics in the mayoral election.
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“I have to say this is a stonking victory for remain.
It sends a huge message to the hardline brexiteers that voters do not want what you think they want. But I think the message is already being heard, even David Davis yesterday has raised the chances the gov will pursue a single market deal with us paying into the club with free movement.
The game is nearly up for the brexiteers. We're going to win the long war after losing one battle.”
“I have to say this is a stonking victory for remain.
It sends a huge message to the hardline brexiteers that voters do not want what you think they want. But I think the message is already being heard, even David Davis yesterday has raised the chances the gov will pursue a single market deal with us paying into the club with free movement.
The game is nearly up for the brexiteers. We're going to win the long war after losing one battle.”
Nonsense. It was a fingers up to Zac Goldsmith. People probably thought he was arrogant. And Remain area 70% votes for pro Remain candidate. Many Tory areas in the South have voted Remain and are currently represented by pro Remaim Tories. So dont get too carried away. I wonder what will happen next week if the Tories increase their majority in the next by election?
Originally Posted by david16:
“The EEA and Customs Union memberships here we come.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown.”
“The EEA and Customs Union memberships here we come.
Preventing the UK economy going into total meltdown.”
Excellent news to wake up to. Now let's get on with it.
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Neil is probably the best political broadcaster we have. He's deliberately provocative in that manner to politicians of all colours.”
“Neil is probably the best political broadcaster we have. He's deliberately provocative in that manner to politicians of all colours.”
I didn't see this, but he's generally good, and just prods the person he's talking to at that time. You should not agree to an interview with Neil unless you have done your homework, because he always does his.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Yes, I heard that! Maybe the Tories should have run a remainer and an anti-Heathrow candidate against him?
I get the impression Zac believed he would walk it! Bet he regrets his decision if he does lose!”
“Yes, I heard that! Maybe the Tories should have run a remainer and an anti-Heathrow candidate against him?
I get the impression Zac believed he would walk it! Bet he regrets his decision if he does lose!”
I think he expected to become Mayor, so promising to nobly stand-down was a diversion. Then he had to stick by it, but he still thought he'd have an easy victory.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“John Curtis suggests that if LibDems win it could be due to Labour voters turning away from Corbyn and choosing LibDems as an alternative. Interesting.”
“John Curtis suggests that if LibDems win it could be due to Labour voters turning away from Corbyn and choosing LibDems as an alternative. Interesting.”
There's no doubt that many Labour voters decided they'd much rather ditch Zac than help their party keep their deposit. It's just a shame that Labour decided to stand a candidate when many of their local members didn't want it, especially as UKIP were backing Zac. They were too vain, and too stubborn to admit the LibDems aren't actually Tories.
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“The look on John Curtice's face when Diane Abbott was ranting about his analysis being rubbish was priceless. And sums up the look that most people have when she opens her mouth.
This is the guy who led the team that delivered a spot-on exit poll last year. Somehow I think he knows what he's talking about.”
“The look on John Curtice's face when Diane Abbott was ranting about his analysis being rubbish was priceless. And sums up the look that most people have when she opens her mouth.
This is the guy who led the team that delivered a spot-on exit poll last year. Somehow I think he knows what he's talking about.”
No-one should ever diss the Curtis. Admittedly, people do have a habit of having a go when he announces a tit-bit of information they don't like the sound of. However, people really should have learnt by now that not only is he usually right, he's not part of the conspiracy you assume is out to get your favourite.
He's one of the highlights of elections, and I love that he's so unashamedly academic looking.
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I think Goldsmith made the mistake of thinking the ByElection would be about Heathrow, when the Lib Dems made it about Brexit.
The trouble is that both were against Heathrow, but he was pro Brexit in a Remain area, so he was always onto a loser.”
“I think Goldsmith made the mistake of thinking the ByElection would be about Heathrow, when the Lib Dems made it about Brexit.
The trouble is that both were against Heathrow, but he was pro Brexit in a Remain area, so he was always onto a loser.”
He was too arrogant to realise that the electorate get to vote on whatever they want. Yes, the people of Richmond were annoyed by Heathrow, but also concerned by Brexit, and what's happening in the NHS, and the shift to the right by the Tories.
Originally Posted by platelet:
“Excellent result that couldn't have happened to a smugger git. So much for his hissy fit
Shame the Labour party couldn't have saved themselves the embarrassment and gone for not putting up a candidate but at least the Labour voters deserted en masse, Wolmar losing his deposit is is a nice final giggle, at least it will be when the Labour party spinners try to explain why the party is in anyway still relevant when Jerry's popularity has engorged Richmond CLP to 1600+ members but they could still only muster 1515 votes”
“Excellent result that couldn't have happened to a smugger git. So much for his hissy fit
Shame the Labour party couldn't have saved themselves the embarrassment and gone for not putting up a candidate but at least the Labour voters deserted en masse, Wolmar losing his deposit is is a nice final giggle, at least it will be when the Labour party spinners try to explain why the party is in anyway still relevant when Jerry's popularity has engorged Richmond CLP to 1600+ members but they could still only muster 1515 votes
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There will be a lot of "I told you so" going on at the local party level.
Many Tories will insist that the LibDems didn't beat an actual Tory candidate, but the reality is that the LibDems beat the Tories AND UKIP combined. They had the backing of many Greens and some Labour, as well as groups like the WEP and MoreUnited. This was a very particular sort of by-election, but it goes to show that collaborative working is worth it in at least some instances. I expect to see more of it in the future.
Lol at people thinking a single by-election is going to make any difference to the deal we do with the EU
Well done Lib dumbs, old money wins its seat back. Now lets get on with Heathrow expansion with no damage to the Tories........ you dumbs...... Suckers.
I meant to add that I think a lot of people were very unhappy with how Goldsmith campaigned in the London Mayor election, and of course the arrogance of calling an expensive by-election when simply crossing the house would have had the same result.
Originally Posted by *Sparkle*:
“I meant to add that I think a lot of people were very unhappy with how Goldsmith campaigned in the London Mayor election, and of course the arrogance of calling an expensive by-election when simply crossing the house would have had the same result.”
“I meant to add that I think a lot of people were very unhappy with how Goldsmith campaigned in the London Mayor election, and of course the arrogance of calling an expensive by-election when simply crossing the house would have had the same result.”
Yes, he could have just resigned the whip. He'd backed himself into a corner though and obviously thought he would win.
Originally Posted by Resonance:
“Yes, he could have just resigned the whip. He'd backed himself into a corner though and obviously thought he would win.”
“Yes, he could have just resigned the whip. He'd backed himself into a corner though and obviously thought he would win.”
Yes, but he expected to be London Mayor by the time he did the honourable thing and stand down. In that circumstance, I doubt he'd have stood again.
Originally Posted by *Sparkle*:
“Yes, but he expected to be London Mayor by the time he did the honourable thing and stand down. In that circumstance, I doubt he'd have stood again.”
“Yes, but he expected to be London Mayor by the time he did the honourable thing and stand down. In that circumstance, I doubt he'd have stood again.”
Yes and ironically his mayoral campaign probably contributed to him losing the by-election.
Originally Posted by wordfromthewise:
“Are we really going to get excited about 53% of people in one of the most prosperous areas of the country registering a protest vote against the government (who didn't even field a candidate) and dumping a charisma- free sitting MP who decided to turn himself into a one issue candidate at precisely the wrong time.”
“Are we really going to get excited about 53% of people in one of the most prosperous areas of the country registering a protest vote against the government (who didn't even field a candidate) and dumping a charisma- free sitting MP who decided to turn himself into a one issue candidate at precisely the wrong time.”
It reduces the government majority and thus makes passing an anti-Brexit bill more difficult. That's significant no matter how desperately Tory apologists try to spin it.
It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable.
Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result.
Originally Posted by Radlestort:
“It reduces the government majority and thus makes passing an anti-Brexit bill more difficult. That's significant no matter how desperately Tory apologists try to spin it.
It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable.
Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result.”
“It reduces the government majority and thus makes passing an anti-Brexit bill more difficult. That's significant no matter how desperately Tory apologists try to spin it.
It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable.
Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result.”
If you think one vote is going to swing it, then yes, I suppose it is significant
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“Been watching BBC breakfast for nigh on half an hour and no mention of the by-election at all. Odd.”
“Been watching BBC breakfast for nigh on half an hour and no mention of the by-election at all. Odd.”
I noticed they were running other stuff earlier. They're probably waiting to get Farron on to trot out his favourite phrase about "a hard Brexit that nobody voted for".
He must have said it ten times in the last interview I saw. It's amazing that someone who is supposedly intelligent thinks that nobody voted for a hard Brexit. Especially when the whole out campaign was about immigration, making our own laws, not paying in etc and even the remain side said an out vote meant leaving the single market.
This is going to send shock waves across the Country apparently. And shows the UK people are overwhelmingly against a hard Brexit.
The Lib dems must be smoking some good shit.
The Lib dems must be smoking some good shit.
Originally Posted by Resonance:
“If you think one vote is going to swing it, then yes, I suppose it is significant”
“If you think one vote is going to swing it, then yes, I suppose it is significant
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The Tories aren't going to admit it in public, but they will be concerned. The PM's own constituency isn't that different in demographics to Richmond, which she will have noticed.
The leaking of possible options for staying in the Single Market yesterday were probably linked to the polls showing the election was close, and it will give confidence to Tory MPs who were firm Remainers to make themselves heard.
Originally Posted by *Sparkle*:
“The Tories aren't going to admit it in public, but they will be concerned. The PM's own constituency isn't that different in demographics to Richmond, which she will have noticed.
The leaking of possible options for staying in the Single Market yesterday were probably linked to the polls showing the election was close, and it will give confidence to Tory MPs who were firm Remainers to make themselves heard.”
“The Tories aren't going to admit it in public, but they will be concerned. The PM's own constituency isn't that different in demographics to Richmond, which she will have noticed.
The leaking of possible options for staying in the Single Market yesterday were probably linked to the polls showing the election was close, and it will give confidence to Tory MPs who were firm Remainers to make themselves heard.”
Most MPs will look at how people voted in their area I would think. Most will realise that the vote was leave and behave accordingly. Lets face it if the referendum was FPTP then it would have been a landslide for leave. Which is the main reason not many are talking about opposing A50 etc. Well outside Scotland that is.
What great news for remainers, it looks like brexit may never happen or if it does it will be so lite it will feel like it never happened, let us hope this is the start of the end of brexit, yes please
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“No. I just listened to her rabid speech that's all.”
“No. I just listened to her rabid speech that's all.”
The clip on the news just now sounded anything but rabid.
Got a link for the rabid bit?
Its a fascinating result for so many reasons:
1. It shows Remainers aren't going to lie down and accept whatever cackhanded deal Mayhem and the Three Brexiteers cook up. The 'we are all Brexiteers now' mantra isn't happening.
2. A lot of the comments from Brexiteers over this result have been nasty and full of vile and venom for the people of this constituency - just look at the comments on the Daily Mail website.
3. Its fairly astonishing that Brexit is a bigger concern to people in Richmond than Heathrow expansion - Goldsmith pretty much got elected there originally by campaigning on Heathrow.
4. I am pretty sure that the election next week in a Brexit voting area will have a very different result. It seems since the referendum that views on both sides have hardened rather than wavered.
5. If May held a general election tomorrow the demographics of the vote for the Tory party could change substantially - losing lots of middle class and urban voters, and taking on lots of less educated northern voters.
6. Labour had a disastrous night. Corbyn is heading for a LAbour vote meltdown in 2020.
7. Goldsmith's reputation is badly tainted by his nasty mayoral bid - he may have trouble ever shaking this off if he wants to stay in politics.
1. It shows Remainers aren't going to lie down and accept whatever cackhanded deal Mayhem and the Three Brexiteers cook up. The 'we are all Brexiteers now' mantra isn't happening.
2. A lot of the comments from Brexiteers over this result have been nasty and full of vile and venom for the people of this constituency - just look at the comments on the Daily Mail website.
3. Its fairly astonishing that Brexit is a bigger concern to people in Richmond than Heathrow expansion - Goldsmith pretty much got elected there originally by campaigning on Heathrow.
4. I am pretty sure that the election next week in a Brexit voting area will have a very different result. It seems since the referendum that views on both sides have hardened rather than wavered.
5. If May held a general election tomorrow the demographics of the vote for the Tory party could change substantially - losing lots of middle class and urban voters, and taking on lots of less educated northern voters.
6. Labour had a disastrous night. Corbyn is heading for a LAbour vote meltdown in 2020.
7. Goldsmith's reputation is badly tainted by his nasty mayoral bid - he may have trouble ever shaking this off if he wants to stay in politics.
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