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This is going to send shock waves across the Country apparently. And shows the UK people are overwhelmingly against a hard Brexit.
The Lib dems must be smoking some good shit. |
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What great news for remainers, it looks like brexit may never happen or if it does it will be so lite it will feel like it never happened, let us hope this is the start of the end of brexit, yes please
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A recent poll said 90% of people want to remain in the single market.
NatCen study finds 90% favour staying in single market and 70% want limits on EU immigration, posing headache for government We can't have both, so.......... |
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The clip on the news just now sounded anything but rabid.
Got a link for the rabid bit? And she calls someone else rabid. |
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All it 'says' is that remainers don't accept the result of the referendum.
No-one in their right mind would vote for something they don't want, apart from those voting tactically in marginal seats |
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Just heard that there's going to be a protest against the result in Richmond, as the electorate didn't understand what they we're voting for, and that a 2000 majority is not a resounding mandate from the people of Richmond.
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The clip on the news just now sounded anything but rabid.
Got a link for the rabid bit? |
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Just heard that there's going to be a protest against the result in Richmond, as the electorate didn't understand what they we're voting for, and that a 2000 majority is not a resounding mandate from the people of Richmond.
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Watch it all via iPlayer. It's speeches like hers, in leafy London suburbs where their life is unaffected by anything like the things those up North experience, that cause the divisions because, whilst she is sticking up for those who voted for her, she is suggesting to the 17,400,000 Leave voters that those in the South East still don't "get it".
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Based on this i'd imagine that the Lib Dems would currently win a by-election in my home constituency of Harrogate and Knaresborough (LD until 2010, Tory since. Voted remain)
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Many Tories will insist that the LibDems didn't beat an actual Tory candidate, but the reality is that the LibDems beat the Tories AND UKIP combined. They had the backing of many Greens and some Labour, as well as groups like the WEP and MoreUnited. This was a very particular sort of by-election, but it goes to show that collaborative working is worth it in at least some instances. I expect to see more of it in the future.
Brexit is still going to be exerting a very dividing influence come the next GE. If the remain voters all back LD candidates whilst the brexiters split their votes between hard and harder Tory and UKIP there's a very good chance of an LD recovery in the South and Labour being wiped out in the North. I'd see a Tory/UKIP government coalition arising from that I'm afraid, but with a credible LD/SNP/Green opposition |
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To put that quote into perspective for you, nethwen believes that Trump can do no wrong.
And she calls someone else rabid. I believe no such thing. Quote:
The clip on the news just now sounded anything but rabid.
Got a link for the rabid bit? Well today we have said no. We will defend the Britain we love. We will stand up for the open, tolerant, united Britain that we believe in. The people of Richmond Park and North Kingston have sent a shockwave through this Conservative Brexit Government. And our message is clear: we do not want a ‘hard Brexit’; we do not want to be pulled out of the Single Market; and we will not let intolerance, division and fear win. http://www.libdemvoice.org/in-full-s...ove-52623.html There you go. Intolerance for anyone with a different point of view, so typical of the illiberal and far left. And she's so tolerant and indvisive that she wants what she wants whilst ignoring the result of the referendum. |
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She is standing up for the views of her constituents. It seems that many Brexiteers still don't get that 48% of the UK has a different view than they do.
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That's cheered me up. I've always loved Harrogate, but would have had it down as Brexit territory.
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Just heard that there's going to be a protest against the result in Richmond, as the electorate didn't understand what they we're voting for, and that a 2000 majority is not a resounding mandate from the people of Richmond.
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Well if people did end up voting on the basis of how they voted in the referendum the Tories would win a landslide in any election.
Brighton & Hove includes 3 constituencies, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hove voted to leave but the other 2 were strongly remain, producing a strong remain result. My own constituency includes a big chunk of the neighbouring district, and a significant part of the east of the district is in a neighbouring constituency. The referendum results were published for the district as a whole, which is quite a different animal from the constituency. |
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She is standing up for the views of her constituents. It seems that many Brexiteers still don't get that 48% of the UK has a different view than they do.
But okay then. Let's see how Remainer MPs will vote for Article 50 when their 'constituents' voted overwhelmingly for Leave, shall we? |
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Watch it all via iPlayer. It's speeches like hers, in leafy London suburbs where their life is unaffected by anything like the things those up North experience, that cause the divisions because, whilst she is sticking up for those who voted for her, she is suggesting to the 17,400,000 Leave voters that those in the South East still don't "get it".
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Been watching BBC breakfast for nigh on half an hour and no mention of the by-election at all. Odd.
Same on 5 live, took them ages, still the prosecco tasted fine in the bath this morning It was hot too and this little snowflake did not melt
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I'm a bit mystified by these predictions. Is there a ward-by-ward breakdown of the referendum results? Without that, it's difficult to extrapolate what the constituency vote would be as the boundaries are so different.
Brighton & Hove includes 3 constituencies, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hove voted to leave but the other 2 were strongly remain, producing a strong remain result. My own constituency includes a big chunk of the neighbouring district, and a significant part of the east of the district is in a neighbouring constituency. The referendum results were published for the district as a whole, which is quite a different animal from the constituency. ETA: Some analysis here https://www.businessinsider.nl/nomur...onal=true&r=UK Around 74% of the UK’s 650 MPs were in favour of remaining in the European Union. But when the referendum vote is applied to traditional parliamentary constituencies, rather than the total percentages used to calculate the vote, only around 39% of constituency seats voted to Remain, according to data from the University of East Anglia and analysts at Nomura. |
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The referendum wasn't a parliamentary constituency concern. It was an either/or referendum. And Leave won with 52% of the vote. Remainers seem to want to ignore that fact.
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The pro remain Guardian is touting the result as 'a vote that became a de facto plebiscite on the government’s Brexit plans'.
Except it's hardly news in an area which voted remain anyway. Now if it had been Sunderland....
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Just heard that there's going to be a protest against the result in Richmond, as the electorate didn't understand what they we're voting for, and that a 2000 majority is not a resounding mandate from the people of Richmond.
![]() ![]() ![]() Seriously, I didn't do a prediction for this one but wasn't expecting Labour's vote to go down so much. It shows how fickle the pubic are that the Lib Dems can be forgiven by Labour voters within the space of 18 months. So another polling failure? |
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There you go. Intolerance for anyone with a different point of view, so typical of the illiberal and far left. And she's so tolerant and indvisive that she wants what she wants whilst ignoring the result of the referendum. |
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The pro remain Guardian is touting the result as 'a vote that became a de facto plebiscite on the government’s Brexit plans'.
Except it's hardly news in an area which voted remain anyway. Now if it had been Sunderland.... ![]() |
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