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What did Farage say he would do when he thought his side was getting 48%?
It's just like the SNP keeping harping on about a second Independence referendum from the moment thet lost, isn't it? I don't agree with either of them. The EU referendum was a once in a generation/lifetime vote as far as I'm concerned. Look into it again in 20 years or so but not straight after them. |
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So we're back to the idea that people who are passionate about what they believe in are only right if they're on the right.
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Not at all. It's the type of extremist language being used by her that I take issue with.
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No great surprise that a strongly Bremain constituency chose a Lib Dem candidate in a single issue vote.
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Except she's not using extremist language.
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"Backwardness" is an insulting word. It's certainly not PC is it? Of course, the liberal left don't know (or don't want to know) how intolerant they are being whilst snarling at those with different points of view.
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What great news for remainers, it looks like brexit may never happen or if it does it will be so lite it will feel like it never happened, let us hope this is the start of the end of brexit, yes please
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Did she say "backwardness"? In the quote you pasted in she said "backward-looking" which has an entirely different meaning (the opposite to "forward-looking"), and definitely isn't extremist language.
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"Backwardness" is an insulting word. It's certainly not PC is it? Of course, the liberal left don't know (or don't want to know) how intolerant they are being whilst snarling at those with different points of view.
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What do you think "backward-looking" means?
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That concession speech in full Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Zacharias Robin Goldsmith
This by-election that we have just had was not a political calculation, It was a miscalculation that my ego made that I kept. I've been hugely privileged to poorly serve and mis-represent this community over the last six years and I will miss doing that This is my back yard, I grew up here, I have expensive property here. I love the value of my house and I didn't want planes flying over my back yard I'm extremely grateful to everyone who back-stabbed me in this campaign as I am now free to spend more time with my money I'm hugely grateful to my brilliant father thank you not least for my non-domiciled status protecting the hundreds of millions I inherited, and of course the Rothschilds who now will get to see a bit more of me as I expect them to line me up a nice cushy job in the coming weeks and months I wish Sarah well and hope she serves the NIMBYs of this community as well and not just the remoaners she represents |
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What do you think "backward-looking" means?
Thought you kippers were all about straight talking and speaking your mind. |
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"Backwardness" is an insulting word. It's certainly not PC is it? Of course, the liberal left don't know (or don't want to know) how intolerant they are being whilst snarling at those with different points of view.
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What do you think "backward-looking" means?
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Looking backwards.
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Less of the stereotyping please.
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Well done Lib Dems
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That's why EEA and Customs Union membership is the best outcome. The Leavers get their leave but business and the rest of us can carry on much as before. EEA/CU. It will also avoid any potential problems for Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. It might even hold off another Scottish independence vote.
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Looking backwards.
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Congratulations to Lib Dems however Labour should be winning these byelections if they hoping to win the next GE. This is more bad news for Corbyn's Labour.
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Which means what in liberal left terms?
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Congratulations to Lib Dems however Labour should be winning these byelections if they hoping to win the next GE. This is more bad news for Corbyn's Labour.
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Even in the glory days of Blair, New Labour and Cool Britannia Labour wouldn't have stood a hope in a seat like Richmond.
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A hugely gratifying and admittedly unexpected result, purely down to my day's toil in Kew (and subsequent donations).
![]() Of course its a heavily remain constituency. Its one of the best educated electorates in the country, and we all know how education has a very strong correlation to one's view on Brexit. There is, however, more to this than just the pat comments from many on the forum. Firstly, Zac is not unpopular in that part of the world. He turned a narrow LibDem majority into a massive 23,000 in the space of 2 elections. The constituency voted for him in the mayoral election by a very large majority. It was not antipathy to him, but the horror at the prospect of a hard Brexit. I'm glad Farron made the point on the BBC this morning that many Tories who voted Leave in the referendum (and the Richmond Leave vote was virtually 100% Tory - UKIP got 4% last GE) did NOT vote for a hard Brexit. The Europhobes continually accuse Remainers of being out of touch, when it is THEY. They believe the majority of the country is happy to see the economy harmed, jobs jeopardised, just so the "purity" of sovereignty can be preserved and the borders shut. Well they are WRONG. The vast, vast majority want us to remain in the single market - the big difference in Richmond is that the electorate there understand the consequences if we don't, and owing to their intelligence, can see through the bullshit peddled by the Brexiters. A word about Labour. I've canvassed this constituency many years past, when it was a Tory marginal and the Alliance was trying to win it. There was always a significant Labour vote there, and it was very resilient. Very hard to squeeze. They knew they had no chance but would not vote tactically, even when it was pointed out how slim the Tory majority. That changed this time. You do find Labour voters in million pound homes in that constituency, and all I encountered was utter contempt for Corbyn. This is a pointer to how Labour will be evaporated in the next election. A lost deposit there is utterly terrible. Richmond is not a typical seat. It magnifies the national mood. It is, however, a very clear indicator of how desperate most people are to avoid a hard Brexit. The result is a remarkable achievement by the LibDems (who worked incredibly hard for it) considering the very strong personal following Zac has in the area. |
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Let's hope this happens, the only alternative is no brexit at all, but what you think will happen should keep everybody happy
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