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Analysis has shown that, simply, the more educated you are the more likely you are to have voted Remain. Graduates are at the top of the graph. The less educated you are, the more likely you are a Brexiter. It's not hard to see why.
The graph shows a very similar diagonal for age. Quote:
I can't remember the criteria applied by the people who conducted the poll of voters sorry, but the findings were pretty stark, well beyond the margins of error.
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#402 |
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You and your bubbles. It's somewhat smug and arrogant to pretend one part of the country is the "real world" and another isn't. Ridiculous.
Absolutely nobody is saying the result negates the referendum. Certainly not Farron. What is does say is that the country does not want a hard Brexit. It was not on the ballot paper and there is no mandate for it. And if you believe there is, then let's propose it and have a referendum. Why does democracy frighten you so much? Not everyone but most people in that seat have and probably always have had relatively nice and cosy lives. As the LIb Dem candidate herself said 'if I don't win its not the end of the world as I still have a nice job, a nice family and a nice big house in a nice area!'. If you live there no wonder you think life is wonderful and things should stay as they are as you are doing very well thank you. But outside that sort of bubble clearly a lot of people aren't feeling like that. |
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Could it be that the 'less well educated' have not been brainwashed by the left ideology of their teachers/tutors?
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You and your bubbles. It's somewhat smug and arrogant to pretend one part of the country is the "real world" and another isn't. Ridiculous.
Absolutely nobody is saying the result negates the referendum. Certainly not Farron. What is does say is that the country does not want a hard Brexit. It was not on the ballot paper and there is no mandate for it. And if you believe there is, then let's propose it and have a referendum. Why does democracy frighten you so much? |
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Yeah but it wasn't. Every vote counted.
Do you think it should have been done by constituency? And if so, why? |
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Very telling
This is just the LDs using UKIP's tactic - it is not that they might win a lot of seats, but that they will take a chunk of the Tory vote and so, the Tories would lose a lot of marginals. Obviously, with Labour in difficulties, that is less true now, but Corbyn will go in time. This time, the clowns on the Tory right and an indecisive PM will need to run scared of the Remain vote. I will say it again - we will be voting again in 2020, either in Ref2 or at a GE determined by the EU issue. |
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#407 |
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In fairness he was just stating a fact. Educated people were more likely to vote Remain.
Fact. |
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It would show what mandate MPs really have and if they are not representing their constituents.
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#409 |
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The result does not say the country does not want a Hard Brexit - it says that at the moment only Richmond doesnt want a hard brexit or an other runway
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its actually a rather big place you know
But you might observe that the White middle class in London tend to live in their nice almost entirely white middle class conservation area enclaves - even though they could probably get a bigger house if they lived in a more diverse area of the capital. A certain leafy London poster is a good example of them. Claims to love diversity but does their best to avoid living in a very diverse area! Richmond Park isn't really in London anyway. It's Surrey. And of course most people there could get a much bigger house of they moved to somewhere like East Ham - but for some reason choose to live in a smaller property in Richmond. Not sure why Perhaps what binds them is their hypocrisy - says one thing and does another. I've lived in Ilford, Barking, Stepney, Mile End, Walthamstow. Even my "leafy" part is miles from mono-cultural. There's a large black family living next door. Everywhere in London is diverse. There's more and less, but nowhere is a white British enclave, save probably Bexley - and we all know the politics of that area. I met all kinds of people in Kew. And of course Richmond is London. It's a London borough like Havering or Bexley. That the post office quaintly calls it Surrey is irrelevant. Your envy just eats you up. It's very unhealthy. |
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LibDems on a larger scale would mean scrapped Brexit, tighter EU integration, more EU migrants as well as migrants and refugees from the Middle East. Imagine LibDems leading the country......
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There's a very dodgy premise to that question!
Having a degree is a function of age as much as intelligence - and older voters backed leave possibly cos they have a life of experience to draw on including raising families and working for decades rather than being straight out of college. |
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It won't make any difference imo. If the government lose their case A50 will be voted through by a big margin (similar to the vote for the referendum act).
I actually think her saying she'll vote down A50 without batting an eyelid will be bad for Lib Dems in the long run. Openly saying you want to ignore the result of a referendum doesn't play well with most voters, whichever side of the EU argument they're from. Most people support democracy. No sensible MP will support a motion to trigger 50 without agreeing to what comes next first. Brexit has resulted in some loosing all sense of sense...wanting to condemn the country to unknown future. Not acceptable. Brexiteers now need to behave in a responsible fashion going forward. |
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As one comedic remoaner posed a few months ago:
"You may have won this battle. You have not won the war!" ![]() The many wealthy citizens of Richmond on Remain are scared of losing their holiday villas, and the cost of cooks, cleaners and nannies. |
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It's speeches like hers, in leafy London suburbs where their life is unaffected by anything like the things those up North experience, that cause the divisions because, whilst she is sticking up for those who voted for her, she is suggesting to the 17,400,000 Leave voters that those in the South East still don't "get it".
We had the counterpoint of last night's Question Time in Wakefield, where various ills in the area were laid at the door of immigrants. Wakefield is nearly 95% White British; significantly higher than Richmond. |
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No more dodgy than implying people who voted leave are stupid
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- well what people who use the term less educated really mean when they may such claims.
How do you know they mean that?
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So the LibDems now have 9 MP's is that correct (or have I missed a by-election somewhere?) - that still makes them politically insignificant in my book
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Most MPs will look at how people voted in their area I would think. Most will realise that the vote was leave and behave accordingly. Lets face it if the referendum was FPTP then it would have been a landslide for leave. Which is the main reason not many are talking about opposing A50 etc. Well outside Scotland that is.
The country is utterly split. We are not all Brexiteers now. |
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Having a degree is a function of age as much as intelligence - and older voters backed leave possibly cos they have a life of experience to draw on including raising families and working for decades rather than being straight out of college.
You can play the victim as much as you like, but we have all heard them on the media time and time again, and it is blatantly obvious they had no idea of the issues. |
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#420 |
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Perhaps what binds them is their hypocrisy - says one thing and does another.
Seems like some people just need to get over this result
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#421 |
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Tripe.
Your envy just eats you up. It's very unhealthy. |
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So the LibDems now have 9 MP's is that correct (or have I missed a by-election somewhere?) - that still makes them politically insignificant in my book
With different partners. |
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Turnout was 33.5 million, it's very easy to calculate that figure.
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#424 |
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Oh dear these bitter politics of envy are pretty grim.
The same sort of arguments in a different form used to be used to deny poor people who didn't own land or property the vote. We can't really allow the plebs to have a say cos they might change things and we can't have that. Different time different world but the sentiment is much the same. In effect I am better than you as I have a degree or live in a leafy area so my vote and opinion counts more. No it really doesn't! |
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As opposed to your superiority which suggests you think are better than other people because you live in 'leafy London' - when actually you live in Essex.
You don't know as much as you think you do on any issue. |
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