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Richmond Park by-election
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hansue
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Longshot:
“That's quite an assumption and says a lot more about your insecurities than it does about the people of Richmond. ”

I was basing that on a statement made by a remain male resident of Richmond who was also interviewed on Sky. I cant remember his exact words but he seemed to be looking down his nose and was astounded that people voted to leave Europe.

Actually I voted to remain so I don't feel insecure at all. I'm just accepting the result of the majority which some people are finding really difficult.

Just as an aside I live down South so I'm not making that statement because I live up North.
Landis
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by burneside:
“I think you need to view Owen Patterson's full interview re membership of the single market, it was edited by Open Britain to suit their agenda. Andrew Neil tore James McGrory to pieces about that little deception (plus a few other instances of selective editing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs”

We have had a whole thread about this.

Tore to pieces??
ROTFL

There is no need to watch beyond the 5 minute mark to see that Andrew Neil has not done his usual research. (And that is shocking).

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...2190008&page=8
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“50 years ago it was in Essex.

But then I as that's the era back to which you want to drag the country, no doubt you'd like it to return.”

Many Essex cricketers come from the area - cos it's Essex. It's in an artificial creation of a local authority area - named after a roundabout - where most of the addresses say Essex..

You can draw administrative lines on a map - but you can't stop it being Essex as it has been for centuries and always will be.

Rather than me going back to 1965 I think you would prefer to go back to 1832 - where only male land and property owners voted. Cos you don't seem too keen on the outcomes when the poor and poorly educated and non landed have the vote. You can pretty much guarantee that on the 1832 franchise remain would have won!
Eurostar
02-12-2016
The interesting thing is that May has been pandering to the hard right by talking about immigration, immigration, immigration (especially at the party conference) and saying "controlling" it will be one of the main focal points of Brexit. I imagine this result may be a bit of a wake up call and if this trend continues in future by elections, it's going to give her serious food for thought.
howard h
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
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Rather than me going back to 1965 I think you would prefer to go back to 1832 - where only male land and property owners voted. Cos you don't seem too keen on the outcomes when the poor and poorly educated and non landed have the vote. You can pretty much guarantee that on the 1832 franchise remain would have won!”

Wot...you mean WOMEN have the vote now..... They will be wanting to be MP's next....
allaorta
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The interesting thing is that May has been pandering to the hard right by talking about immigration, immigration, immigration (especially at the party conference) and saying "controlling" it will be one of the main focal points of Brexit. I imagine this result may be a bit of a wake up call and if this trend continues in future by elections, it's going to give her serious food for thought.”

Most of Richmond upon Thames council area is unaffected by immigration other than oligarchs. servants and oriental restaurants.
wordfromthewise
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Radlestort:
“It reduces the government majority and thus makes passing an anti-Brexit bill more difficult. That's significant no matter how desperately Tory apologists try to spin it.

It was also a massive thumping. That is always notable.

Don't demean yourself by trying to talk down a significant result.”

You're absolutely right.........I should have said half of 53% turn out to vote lib dem.........

I've demeaned myself further.

No more than a by-election protest vote from a very unrepresentative sample.
Welsh-lad
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“That's the first time I've ever read that on here.”

I know it's a bit of a chestnut and I do avoid the word as much as possible as it's bandied around too freely.
However, sometimes, you need to call a spade a spade.
Eurostar
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Most of Richmond upon Thames council area is unaffected by immigration other than oligarchs. servants and oriental restaurants.”

My point would be that May seems to be thinking she has no choice but to take the UK out of the Single Market in order to appease the "hardline" British public. If these trends were to continue at future by-elections, she may have to start reassessing things.
James2001
02-12-2016
I'm in Chicago right now so just got up- this is excellent news to wake up to, and seeing the Brexiters here in meltdown is glorious!

And once again the brexiters on here show us democracy only counts when it gets them the result they want
trevgo
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“You can draw administrative lines on a map - but you can't stop it being Essex as it has been for centuries and always will be.”

Keep on. You're just proving the backward delusion of Brexiters. You can't cope with something that changed 50 years ago.

I suppose you think the residents of Milton Keynes live in one large field.
Aurora13
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The interesting thing is that May has been pandering to the hard right by talking about immigration, immigration, immigration (especially at the party conference) and saying "controlling" it will be one of the main focal points of Brexit. I imagine this result may be a bit of a wake up call and if this trend continues in future by elections, it's going to give her serious food for thought.”

It's a warning of how volatile voting is in UK at moment. The I vote for a party because my Dad did is disappearing fast. Folks are far more willing to vote tactically. The other issue is Lib Dems are just filling a gaping hole at centre of UK politics. I don't believe there is huge enthusiasm for them but voters aren't able to switch between the two main parties as they did in past. A disillusioned Tory voter could never vote Corbyn.
Longshot
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I was basing that on a statement made by a remain male resident of Richmond who was also interviewed on Sky. I cant remember his exact words but he seemed to be looking down his nose and was astounded that people voted to leave Europe.

Actually I voted to remain so I don't feel insecure at all. I'm just accepting the result of the majority which some people are finding really difficult.

Just as an aside I live down South so I'm not making that statement because I live up North.”

But you made that sweeping statement based on your vague recollection of the words of ONE Richmond resident who was on Sky News.
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“My point would be that May seems to be thinking she has no choice but to take the UK out of the Single Market in order to appease the "hardline" British public. If these trends were to continue at future by-elections, she may have to start reassessing things.”

We will see if the media give as much coverage next week to the Sleaford by election - a solidly leave voting area which may be a bit far from London for them to bother with. But they also have an MP and the area is arguably more representative of the country than Richmond Park.

I expect not.
Longshot
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Most of Richmond upon Thames council area is unaffected by immigration other than oligarchs. servants and oriental restaurants.”

Many of the areas in the north that voted Brexit in large numbers are also unaffected by immigration.
Tassium
02-12-2016
The consequence of this is going to be serious.

Because of the mistaken belief that it means anything the Remain camp are going to go full-on mental and it'll cost them what little support they currently enjoy.
Dan 54
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“I know it's a bit of a chestnut and I do avoid the word as much as possible as it's bandied around too freely.
However, sometimes, you need to call a spade a spade.”

Yep,a bedwetter is a bedwetter.
Longshot
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“We will see if the media give as much coverage next week to the Sleaford by election - a solidly leave voting area which may be a bit far from London for them to bother with. But they also have an MP and the area is arguably more representative of the country than Richmond Park.

I expect not.”

If a 20,000+ seat majority is overturned there as was the case in Richmond, it will also receive a lot of media coverage. You seem desperate to overlook that fact which is quite amusing.
marke09
02-12-2016
4% is too close to call when you lose but a thumping win when you do
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Keep on. You're just proving the backward delusion of Brexiters. You can't cope with something that changed 50 years ago.

I suppose you think the residents of Milton Keynes live in one large field.”

Milton Keynes is still in Buckinghamshire and your area is still in Essex - a suburb of leafy Ilford Essex!

It clearly irks you that you don't really live in leafy London at all!
Landis
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by wordfromthewise:
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No more than a by-election protest vote from a very unrepresentative sample.”

Unless Farron's claim is correct......that one third of Tory Leave voters have now switched to the LibDems.
Longshot
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tassium:
“The consequence of this is going to be serious.

Because of the mistaken belief that it means anything the Remain camp are going to go full-on mental and it'll cost them what little support they currently enjoy.”

The Oracle has spoken.
James2001
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by marke09:
“4% is too close to call when you lose but a thumping win when you do”

By Brexiter logic, this by-election result is the "overwhelming majority" and the "will of the people"
Eurostar
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“It's a warning of how volatile voting is in UK at moment. The I vote for a party because my Dad did is disappearing fast. Folks are far more willing to vote tactically. The other issue is Lib Dems are just filling a gaping hole at centre of UK politics. I don't believe there is huge enthusiasm for them but voters aren't able to switch between the two main parties as they did in past. A disillusioned Tory voter could never vote Corbyn.”

I get the impression that May is heavily leaning towards appeasing the hard right at the moment, both in her own party and among the public. But if future by election results start going in an unexpected direction, she may have to start reassessing everything.
Nodger
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“The new lady has just given a dreadful interview on Talkradio and bailed after a couple of minutes - she has a steep learning curve ahead of her. I wouldn't accept any invitations from Mr Neil yet if I was her.”

Julia Hartley-Brewer going for it in a very sarcastic fashion:

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-rich...lia-1612027334
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