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Old 02-12-2016, 16:08
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For sure, it was a big mistake for her to go on with Brewer of all people. In her defence though, she's only in politics for a year and it's obvious she has had no media training. It was a bit nasty of JHB to try and tear her to shreds the morning after she was elected, I wouldn't really call it an interview.
They shouldn't have let her stand then, but quotas need filling.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:10
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These places are not in London but in Kent, Essex, Surrey, Middlesex etc. Some bureaucrat may have drawn lines on a map in the 60s but you can't change centuries of history or their postal addresses.
Well, the Post Office could have changed all the postal addresses when the boundaries were changed, but back then putting "Croydon, London" or similar on an envelope could have led to mail being misdirected to the wrong sorting office. They did change other postal addresses, so that Warrington, Lancs became Warrington, Cheshire etc. However county names aren't needed any more in postal addresses, so that problem no longer arises.

Personally, I think political boundaries are more relevant these days, e.g. if you live in Croydon you get a vote for the London Mayor and Assembly members, and I think of my home town as being in Greater Manchester rather than Lancashire.

Maybe that's why so many of these areas voted leave or had very close results - because they are also a bit tired of being lectured by those with superior leafy London attitudes as well who think they are better than them cos their house is worth more or they have a 'degree'..
Yeah, I don't think anyone has actually said anything like that.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:13
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There is no defence - if you want to be a big girl, then learn to deal with what the next couple of years are going to be like. Fleet Street will have heard that interview and will be queuing up to devour her.

JHB is not being nasty, she is being a journalist - one sniff of blood and they are sharks.
Yes, I have to agree there. Rightly or wrongly, dealing with journalists is part of a politician's job. You have to have the confidence and wit to deal with people who challenge your views. That said, I don't think she should judged too harshly on her very first interviews.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:16
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Well, the Post Office could have changed the postal addresses when the boundaries were changed, but back then putting "Croydon, London" or similar on an envelope could have led to mail being misdirected to the wrong sorting office. However county names aren't needed any more in postal addresses, so that problem no longer arises.
I come from Beverley in the East Riding and when it changed to Humberside my letters home used to have 'East Riding' struck out in blue pencil and 'Humberside' written underneath. Of course, to a true Yorkshireman this just meant you wrote East Riding even more.

That must have been a great job though - sitting with a blue pencil all day and looking for pesky Yorkshiremen using their old address.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:19
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Yes, I have to agree there. Rightly or wrongly, dealing with journalists is part of a politician's job. You have to have the confidence and wit to deal with people who challenge your views. That said, I don't think she should judged too harshly on her very first interviews.
Let's be honest she never expected to win. One of the sky bods spoke to her off camera last night and asked when did she start to think she could genuinely win. She said at the count. You've got someone with no media training thrust into the spotlight.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:20
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So we had a by election win by a pro EU candidate in an area which voted to remain and the campaign was about remaining.

Lord help those remoan MPs in areas which voted to leave, the Libdem leader is in one of them and he's done nothing but remoan so start packing your bags Farron
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:21
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Let's be honest she never expected to win. One of the sky bods spoke to her off camera last night and asked when did she start to think she could genuinely win. She said at the count. You've got someone with no media training thrust into the spotlight.
Nobody forced her to stand, and if she did not foresee the likely results of winning then you do not want such a dingbat as an MP do you?
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:22
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Yes, I have to agree there. Rightly or wrongly, dealing with journalists is part of a politician's job. You have to have the confidence and wit to deal with people who challenge your views. That said, I don't think she should judged too harshly on her very first interviews.
Result was declared about 3am so doubt if she had had any sort of sleep.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:23
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Yes, I have to agree there. Rightly or wrongly, dealing with journalists is part of a politician's job. You have to have the confidence and wit to deal with people who challenge your views. That said, I don't think she should judged too harshly on her very first interviews.
She doesn't seem to have been challenged on her views though. If the two questions quoted above are what she was asked, basically two huge squirrels were thrown at her.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:23
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Nobody forced her to stand, and if she did not foresee the likely results of winning then you do not want such a dingbat as an MP do you?
You seem to be an angry little person.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:25
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For sure the biggest thing to happen to her since that starring role in Windowlicker.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:26
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You seem to be an angry little person.
Angry no.
Little, no.

Person yes - one out of three is not bad, so well done.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:26
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I come from Beverley in the East Riding and when it changed to Humberside my letters home used to have 'East Riding' struck out in blue pencil and 'Humberside' written underneath. Of course, to a true Yorkshireman this just meant you wrote East Riding even more.
Wasn't it supposed to be "North Humberside" at the time? I remember there being two new "postal counties" of North and South Humberside!
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:31
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She doesn't seem to have been challenged on her views though. If the two questions quoted above are what she was asked, basically two huge squirrels were thrown at her.
She was asked why she had a 'mandate' to ignore the referendum result when her share of the vote was less then the referendum.

Is that a question she should not answer?
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:32
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Wasn't it supposed to be "North Humberside" at the time? I remember there being two new "postal counties" of North and South Humberside!
Yes, North was Hull et environs and South was Grimsby et al.

Such shame.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:33
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I come from Beverley in the East Riding and when it changed to Humberside my letters home used to have 'East Riding' struck out in blue pencil and 'Humberside' written underneath. Of course, to a true Yorkshireman this just meant you wrote East Riding even more.

That must have been a great job though - sitting with a blue pencil all day and looking for pesky Yorkshiremen using their old address.
Probably a sorting office in 'Ull', or sometimes Kingston upon Hull
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:34
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Basically the whole Brexit thing's a contradiction? If leaving the EU is supposed to give us back our democracy, then SURELY the country should have a vote on the outcome of Brexit, either a further referendum based on the terms of Brexit - or - a vote in the house of Commons? Otherwise there's no democracy involved whatsoever, just merely the autocracy of the Brexiteers at the top of the government doing what they like and forcing the result on us?
Sure we get 2020 - but by then it's may well be far too late to change anything.
I agree the case for a second referendum is the same logical one as for the June 23 one. Did you like those terms of our relationship with Europe - what about these?

But practically you can't do it, or involve the Commons much.

The Commons can't set requirements - because the government probably won't be able to get them off the Europeans - what then? It can't intervene in the discussions , because it will blow the negotiating position. By the time Parliament can decide anythiing , the deal with have to have be done - and what happens then if they then decide they don't like it? The next deal could be worse, or there could be no deal - you may vote for softer brexit, and get mega hard brexit.

If you have a refendum on the new terms, chances are the public vote will split 2 ways - possibly in nearly equal numbers - yes, and not this outcome, Not this outcome, will contain all the people who wanted something else from brexit, and the people who think the new outcome is much worse than being in.The no vote will come from both flanks. What does a government then do if its instructed to get more, and less , and the Europeans say nien to both?

Ideall, y you would have what the Liberals are now revealing they want - a yes, no, and back to June 22 option. But you can't have a referendum with 3 options, and neither option in a run off second vote would be really what half the people wanted. Again what do you do if you are legally out, by the time a final deal is clear enough, , and people want to go in, or they demand better terms you can't get?

And politically, you can't get away with a large percentage of half the country, not getting, something like, the brexit they think they voted for. In the worst case, you have riots and race hate crimes. And with 5-10 million upset right wing voters swilling around, and voting UKip, or even more rightwing parties , you can't run the country - because there's no government possible that could form a majority.

There will be a time when demographics , death, and decline, cull the Leave vote, Then you can have a second referendum. But thats going to take years, and by then we won't get the deal we had on June 23
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:38
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Probably a sorting office in 'Ull', or sometimes Kingston upon Hull
Whilst trying to eradicate white 'phone boxes.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:44
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She was asked why she had a 'mandate' to ignore the referendum result when her share of the vote was less then the referendum.

Is that a question she should not answer?
Aww..she was tired,poor thing.
This is going to haunt her endlessly.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:45
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There is no defence - if you want to be a big girl, then learn to deal with what the next couple of years are going to be like. Fleet Street will have heard that interview and will be queuing up to devour her.

JHB is not being nasty, she is being a journalist - one sniff of blood and they are sharks.
If you listen to most interviews with victorious MPs on the night of a general election or the morning after, they usually just get a gentle grilling about what they intend to do for the next four years, certainly not an aggressive inquisition. JHB. being a rude and ignorant woman, decided to go for the jugular and try and humiliate her "guest" a few hours after her election win.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:46
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Whilst trying to eradicate white 'phone boxes.
Those 'Cod heads' can be quite vindictive
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:48
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If that is a dig at me, I suggest you read the whole discussion.

Then direct your comment somewhere else. Look for the following:-

'so long as they articulate their point intelligently and coherently. That is a very rare occurrence from Leavers.

Debating whether the well healed residents of RoT .........'
You're just making a fool of yourself. One little typo does not render anything non-intelligent or incoherent. Why don't you utilise your weekend by going back and correcting every mistake in every post by your Brexit mates?

Because a weekend is nothing like long enough, would be the answer.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:48
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If you listen to most interviews with MPs on the night of a general election or the morning after, they usually just get a gentle grilling about what they intend to do for the next four years, certainly not an aggressive inquisition. JHB. being a rude and ignorant woman, decided to go for the jugular and try and humiliate her "guest" a few hours after her election win.
Should MPs who state they have a mandate and speak in terms of ignoring a referendum result not receive a detailed grilling? The humiliation would have been of her own making as the question was pertinent and incisive.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:50
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Wasn't it supposed to be "North Humberside" at the time? I remember there being two new "postal counties" of North and South Humberside!
Yes - South Humberside went back to North East Lincolnshire many, many years ago and yet often when ordering stuff online NE Lincs is rarely available on the drop down menus.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:50
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If you listen to most interviews with victorious MPs on the night of a general election or the morning after, they usually just get a gentle grilling about what they intend to do for the next four years, certainly not an aggressive inquisition. JHB. being a rude and ignorant woman, decided to go for the jugular and try and humiliate her "guest" a few hours after her election win.
Good. JHB did well,poor little flower flouncing off.
Maybe she's not cut out for the roughtie toughtie world of being a politician.
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