Chicken and egg. Success brings diversity or diversity brings success? They may be co existent now that mass immigration has occurred but Richmond was rich and successful before diversity whereas many cities now on the decline are diverse. If diversity comes hand in hand with success then unfortunately it also comes hand in hand with decline and where there is decline there is break up of the social fabric and diversity accentuates that.

What about Jeremy Thorpe?

It seems to me that immigrants migrate to already poor areas that then see even more of a decline.

Only areas rich people move into seem to improve. Gentrification and yuppie dom for example.

Not to forget Cyril Smith.

And many cities not in decline are diverse too. You might as well say many cities in decline start with a consonant.

Yes and him.

You also may say that diversity exists as opposed to has a positive effect. It exists very well where there is success but it is a catalyst for anger and dissent and injustice where decline exists. Lozells was a riot along ethnic lines and the only white faces were those trying to restore law and order. The London riots tended to be split on ethnic lines with armed groups of each ethnicity protecting themselves and in many instances chasing off others.

Yet we've had fewer riots in the last few years than we had in the 80s and diversity is far higher now. So by your logic diversity reduces tensions.

Not according to the ONS it doesn't and they are the people who compile the census data.


Again, she lives in North Kingston, not Richmond. As has already been pointed out both Kingston & Richmond have foreign born populations that are way above the national average, so they clearly aren't 'monocultures'. They both stand in sharp contrast to very many Leave areas.

Also, given that she works in Teddington (which is in the west of Richmond borough but not in the Richmond Park constituency), it is a perfectly reasonable place for her to live to ensure a short commute. It is rather bizarre to expect her to live in Newham given that would mean she'd be faced with a commute that would take almost two hours each way!

That's a major assumption as Richmond Park (the East of Richmond Borough and "North Kingston" which covers a huge chunk of Kingston Borough) has variations in income & wealth just like anywhere else.


I am not sure I follow your point fully but you seem to blaming employers for this if I read it right? Voting Leave or Remain in themselves aren't going to effect unscrupulous employers, are they?

However the London riots, and other cities in 2011, were far worse and more widespread than anything and strangely they happened largely in very diverse areas. So not sure where you got the fewer from?

Hilarious seeing a protestor outside the Court saying "We don't trust unelected judges to give a unbiased verdict".

So would elected judges be "unbiased" in their assessment of the law or just do what was popular to whoever their electorate was?

Not well put but the problem is that every person has beliefs and prejudices and yet they are considering law that may affect the whole country and themselves in term of career. A judge with a private ambition to serve on the ECJ is a potential problem for impartial consideration of the law. The whole issue of Europe has many conflicts of interest and we do not know what they are because we trust them to recuse themselves. The issue is not that they should be elected the issue is that the outcome is being considered by people who are unelected, if you see the difference.

You could get rid of them as they would be accountable to voters - rather than perhaps the local freemason's lodge!

Or, as they're otherwise known, cities.

Surely judges should be there to implement the law (which was written and approved by elected politicians) not to follow public opinion. The US is just about the only country in the world to have elected judges. You need to take a look there to see how bad an idea it is.

Interesting development - was there another reason the Greens didn't stand in Richmond? Did they get £250000 from a rich donor with conditions attached?

http://order-order.com/2016/12/06/gr...tand-richmond/

At the last general election the Greens got 3500 votes in the seat - twice Sarah Olneys new majority.

No because not all cities were involved and not all areas of cities were involved.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b07ac72449d351


Looks like Guido is sh!t stiring.

No, because they haven't denied the offer was made. Just that they haven't accepted it.

Why would a green candidate not stand in an election that was originally held on a prominent green issue?

The fact the candidate denies she knew could be just a case of plausible deniability. The decision could have been at a higher level with a strong suggestion that it would be a good idea not to stand just to get a better chance to unseat Goldsmith.

That looks like a denial to me, but maybe the words "vehemently denied" mean something else to you.

looks like selective editing on your part of what you quote. You forgot this bit


Guido has asked them if an offer was made in relation to the ‘Progressive Alliance’, as the local chair claims, and why party officials told the local party such an offer existed. They have declined to answer…

Perhaps you would like to get on the phone and ask them to answer, what with your alleged Green contacts and all ............

Has anyone noticed Ms Olney doing the rounds of the media to expand on her magnificent victory and humungous mandate yet? I haven't heard anything at all of or from her since last Friday, just wondered if anyone else had.

It gets better. You can even read a report about the offer co-written by the Kingston Green Party chair Ryan Coley.

http://order-order.com/2016/12/06/re...t-local-chair/

They denied that that was the reason she stepped aside. They DID NOT deny that the offer had been made (vehemently or otherwise).