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Richmond Park by-election
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koantemplation
02-12-2016
Re The Week,

Can't we get away from mentioning a person's gender?
Welsh-lad
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“She admits she'll vote against Article 50.

Yay for democracy.”

Oh stop whining. She is there to represent the wishes of her constituents.

Perfect parliamentary democracy.
mimik1uk
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“She admits she'll vote against Article 50.

Yay for democracy.”

she has just been elected to represent her constituents on that platform

isn't that democratic ?
nethwen
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Rabid? ”

Yes. I thought it was full of intolerance of people she disagrees with. And this is just her victory speech.

And now she's confirmed she'll be voting against Article 50.
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“wondering whether this by-election might be a sign of things to come

the Tories not contesting the seat as they would be worried about splitting the vote

UKIP and Greens not putting up a candidate and Labour almost campaigning on behalf of the Lib Dems

could we see much more of this strategic approach in future ?”

If it's leave vs remain battle then based on the June results leave would have a majority of 250 plus. Such were the number of areas they voted majority leave - big remain wins being concentrated in London and Scotland.

But politics of course won't work that way. Most Labour activists hate the LDs almost as much as the Tories - there is bad blood there.
koantemplation
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Yes. I thought it was full of intolerance of people she disagrees with. And this is just her victory speech.

And now she's confirmed she'll be voting against Article 50.”

Yes she's showed who is truly intolerant.

She doesn't care for democracy.
mimik1uk
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“If it's leave vs remain battle then based on the June results leave would have a majority of 250 plus. Such were the number of areas they voted majority leave - big remain wins being concentrated in London and Scotland.

But politics of course won't work that way.”

i'm not really thinking of it on that narrow basis, politics wont remain, no pun intended, a single issue environment for long

i was more thinking of informal agreements being made to avoid splitting the vote when a party has no chance of winning
Aurora13
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“she has just been elected to represent her constituents on that platform

isn't that democratic ?”

Not in Brexit world.
Welsh-lad
02-12-2016
Hehehe the Kipper is fuming

We won't all come to heel. Nearly half the electorate don't want brexit.
SULLA
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“A Lib Dem source says:

We’re calling it. We’ve won. We’ve overturned a 23,000 majority.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b056d3d56ac5e5”

Only because the Conservatives did not field a candidate
koantemplation
02-12-2016
I don't like that she won, So I think she shouldn't be allowed to go to parliament.
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
So Sleaford and North Hykeham to look forward to next week.

Will there be a surprise there too? Doubtful but May would be a lot more worried if she lost there methinks.
Cheetah666
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Only because the Conservatives did not field a candidate ”

If the Conservatives had fielded a candidate it would have split Goldsmith's vote and given her an even bigger majority.
koantemplation
02-12-2016
I think Goldsmith made the mistake of thinking the ByElection would be about Heathrow, when the Lib Dems made it about Brexit.

The trouble is that both were against Heathrow, but he was pro Brexit in a Remain area, so he was always onto a loser.
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I don't like that she won, So I think she shouldn't be allowed to go to parliament.”

She won - so she is entitled to it. And Richmond park is the home of the entitled.
apaul
02-12-2016
Zac is very popular. Brexit is very popular. How could this be allowed to happen?
An Thropologist
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“Yes. I thought it was full of intolerance of people she disagrees with. And this is just her victory speech.

And now she's confirmed she'll be voting against Article 50.”

I thought it was mostly a list of and thanks to the people who helped and supported her, thanking those that counted the votes and a bit on the end speaking of the issues that that electorate had spoken to her about during the campaign together with a commitment to represent them.
mimik1uk
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“She admits she'll vote against Article 50.

Yay for democracy.”

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes she's showed who is truly intolerant.

She doesn't care for democracy.”

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I don't like that she won, So I think she shouldn't be allowed to go to parliament.”

where is the facepalm emote when you need it ...
Dan 54
02-12-2016
I think it should be re-run,I don't think people really understood what they were voting for,it wasn't set out on the ballot paper.
koantemplation
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“where is the facepalm emote when you need it ...”

It's where the irony emote is. rolleyes
koantemplation
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dan 54:
“I think it should be re-run,I don't think people really understood what they were voting for,it wasn't set out on the ballot paper.”

Yes I never heard her say that she would vote against invoking Article 50.

And will she really spend £200 on the NHS like she said she would do on her bus?
mimik1uk
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“It's where the irony emote is. rolleyes”

yeah you were just being ironic ....
MARTYM8
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dan 54:
“I think it should be re-run,I don't think people really understood what they were voting for,it wasn't set out on the ballot paper.”

They voted to stop Brexit and they won't stop it

They also voted against Heathrow expansion - I wouldn't be surprised now if Mrs May builds the third runway on Richmond park!

Even though it was a stupid decision by him an honourable constituency would have rewarded Goldsmiths faith in them by giving it back in return.
mimik1uk
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
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Even though it was a stupid decision by him an honourable constituency would have rewarded Goldsmiths faith in them by giving it back in return.”

even if he had won what was he going to change ?

it was a purely indulgent gesture as he would be a conservative in all but name if he had won and would have ended up just rejoining anyway
ClarkF1
02-12-2016
Hurrah for Susan Kramer telling that idiot off for stereotyping the constituents. It's all like that here.

Glad it's all over now. Had enough Lib Dem leaflets to paper the house.

My boss called it at lunchtime based on internal polls he saw in the Zac campaign. They've probably known for some time.
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