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Brian The Dog
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by theid:
“I wonder if people realise the importance of this case in the ending of capital punishment in this country. Ludovic Kennedy, who wrote a book about the case, was very active in campaigning to end the death penalty. Mistakes were, and are, made and if an innocent person has been executed there's no way back.”

It was certainly one of the important cases that ended capital punishment in this county.
Other ones were:
The Derek Bentley case: Hanged in the some year as Christie.
And the Ruth Ellis case: However, whilst there were reasons, unlike Derek Bentley who was innocent, Ruth Ellis did in fact kill someone and set out to do so.
excelents
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“I love old films - particularly from the 1940s - 1960s”

I'll not mention the title of the film but the classic line "Do you mean to tell me I've been diddled ?"
finlay_gaskill
03-12-2016
Bentley should not have hanged, and he killed no-one, but under the laws of that time, he was guilty of murder, otherwise he would not have been charged with such, plus any doubt that he was wrongfully charged with murder would have come to light at the appeal.

The gutless Home Secretary should be forever ashamed that he didn't listen to the jury and commute the death sentence to Life Imprisonment.
Jenny1986
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by nw0307:
“Yeah I've forgotten a lot too. One quite creepy thing is that some of the UK's worst serial killers all came from within a few miles radius of each other. Yorkshire ripper, Black Panther, Christie, Haig, Crossbow cannibal recently and even Harold Shipman”

I used to think the Black Panther was a myth, because I used to walk my dog with my parents at Bathpool when I was a kid, I still walk there now occasionally. I thought someone was trying to scare me by telling me what had happened under ground there. I remember I asked my dad and he said it was true and he remembers the search for him. He was in the pub with his work friends and one suggested Neilson was just down the road, they all laughed at how daft it sounded. Well that turned out to be true, he actually was right there .

He must have moved around because the kidnap was in Staffordshire.
Keyser_Soze1
03-12-2016
I have seen the original film three times and I have to say I thought that this was superb.

Beautifully acted, highly atmospheric and the sets are spot on - the pacing was also just right - there were no car crashes or explosions every five seconds but then again if I want to watch a series like that there are plenty on telly to choose from.

So far it has done full justice to the subject matter.

From a psychological perspective isn't it interesting how psychopaths (no matter how dull, thick, violent or unpleasant) seem to have the charisma to attract so many women?

There must be an evolutionary reason for this - the sexual allure of the alpha male possibly?

Bastards to seem to attract a lot of female attention.

Tim Roth and Samantha Morton take a bow - the strangulation scene in particular was superbly chilling.
Moany Liza
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by excelents:
“I'll not mention the title of the film but the classic line "Do you mean to tell me I've been diddled ?" ”

Seems familiar but I can't quite place it... Do tell.... or give me a clue?
Ess_Bee
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by finlay_gaskill:
“Bunny Lake Is Missing is another good 1960s mystery/thriller.”

The Very Edge is another good 60's thriller. Starring Richard Todd and Anne Heywood, it's one of the first cinema depictions of a stalker, before they even used the word. Never on TV these days but might be available on DVD.
SepangBlue
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by finlay_gaskill:
“Richard Fleischer directed the 1971 film not Dickie, Fleischer had directed the excellent The Boston Strangler a few years earlier and got an excellent performance out of Curtis, as he did Attenborough.

I'm taking a guess that Magic [ with Anthony Hopkins ] was Dickie's directorial debut.”

It doesn't come across in plain print but what I actually said was that Richard Attenborough was 'the director' as opposed to David Attemborough who is 'the naturalist'.

In terms of Dickie's directorial CV, his first film as director was Oh! What a Lovely War from 1969. His son Michael was going out with Joyce Frankenberg at the time and it was her first film part as a chorus girl. They subsequently married and she became better known as Jane Seymour. Joyce had two sisters - Sally and Anne - and a friend and I were going out with them at this time. Joyce's father was a consultant gynaecologist at the hospital where I worked, which is how all the connections came about.

As a matter of interest Magic (1978) was Dickie's fourth film as director, preceded as it was by Young Winston (1972) and A Bridge Too Far (1977).
ribenacreep
03-12-2016
I've just done a podcast on this guy! I won't write the name but you can prob find it on iTunes pretty easily. He was horrific and barely tried to hide the bodies, but the worst thing was poor Timothy Evans and his family'a treatment, poor bloke.
Brian The Dog
03-12-2016
Actually those who are old enough to remember the Attenborough film coming out may remember that he received a lot of criticism for playing the character too 'nicely' and 'soft' instead of the monster that people had created in their minds.

It must be remembered that Christie was a cunning, charismatic liar and not someone you would run miles from by merely seeing. Had he been like that, no one would go back to a virtual stranger's house no matter what their problems and issues were. So a very quietly spoken, charismatic twisted person he was.

All a bit like Hannibal Lecter in 'Silence of the Lambs' by the build up and the way his is described you are expecting a monster and yet at first meeting, is found to be a highly educated, charismatic, polite person. Far more creepy than meeting the monster you have been told about. It's only at the very end of the film that you see the monster within.
spanglerokapi
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by roddydogs:
“For the film, people would not move out of no 10? Ugh must have been desperate, who in their right mind would want to live anywhere near?”

I was talking to someone yesterday who lived in 10 Rillington Place as a youth, he thought the depiction of the house was very accurate and agreed that it was very squalid but the living conditions of everyone else in the vicinity was similar so to them it was normal. His father paid ten shillings and six pence to rent the flat there. He knew Christie and said that he was very softly spoken and during a conversation his voice would become progressively quieter. His last recollection of Christie was visiting him and being show all the work he had done in the garden of which Christie seemed very proud!
Reality Sucks
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“I have seen the original film three times and I have to say I thought that this was superb.

Beautifully acted, highly atmospheric and the sets are spot on - the pacing was also just right - there were no car crashes or explosions every five seconds but then again if I want to watch a series like that there are plenty on telly to choose from.

So far it has done full justice to the subject matter.

From a psychological perspective isn't it interesting how psychopaths (no matter how dull, thick, violent or unpleasant) seem to have the charisma to attract so many women?

There must be an evolutionary reason for this - the sexual allure of the alpha male possibly?

Bastards to seem to attract a lot of female attention.

Tim Roth and Samantha Morton take a bow - the strangulation scene in particular was superbly chilling.”


I don't think that it's necessarily psychopaths who have an ability to attract women - you only have to watch the Jeremy Kyle show to see the range of unattractive, out of work, wasters who manage to get two women fighting over them. It's women's urge to nest that's the problem (as Judge Judy would put it)
Heston Veston
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by theid:
“I wonder if people realise the importance of this case in the ending of capital punishment in this country. Ludovic Kennedy, who wrote a book about the case, was very active in campaigning to end the death penalty. Mistakes were, and are, made and if an innocent person has been executed there's no way back.”

I think this is why some people are so eager to believe that Evans was in fact complicit in his wife's murder.
finlay_gaskill
03-12-2016
Quote:
“From a psychological perspective isn't it interesting how psychopaths (no matter how dull, thick, violent or unpleasant) seem to have the charisma to attract so many women?”

We have to entertain the controversial theory that some women are at best naive, or at worst just terminally dim.
Prince Monalulu
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“I have seen the original film three times and I have to say I thought that this was superb.

Beautifully acted, highly atmospheric and the sets are spot on - the pacing was also just right - there were no car crashes or explosions every five seconds but then again if I want to watch a series like that there are plenty on telly to choose from.

So far it has done full justice to the subject matter.

From a psychological perspective isn't it interesting how psychopaths (no matter how dull, thick, violent or unpleasant) seem to have the charisma to attract so many women?

There must be an evolutionary reason for this - the sexual allure of the alpha male possibly?

Bastards to seem to attract a lot of female attention.

Tim Roth and Samantha Morton take a bow - the strangulation scene in particular was superbly chilling.”

BIB How many Psychopaths have you studied, I suspect you're on about the famous ones who've been captured after committing violent crimes.
Look up Prof James Fallon.
Prince Monalulu
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by finlay_gaskill:
“We have to entertain the controversial theory that some women are at best naive, or at worst just terminally dim.”

Again, how many Psychopaths have you studied, how about female Psychopaths, there must be some, do they spend their entire lives unable to find a partner?
Look up the definition of a Psychopath and Sociopath again, just because they don't 'feel' like everyone else doesn't mean they can't and don't fake it.
Keyser_Soze1
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu:
“BIB How many Psychopaths have you studied, I suspect you're on about the famous ones who've been captured after committing violent crimes.
Look up Prof James Fallon.”

Don't have to look the prof up because I have seen him plenty of times - I know how common psychopaths are and how few turn into serial killers or career criminals (they compose around 1% of the population IIRC).

We have all met them - you sense there is something not quite right but they are masters of manipulation, deception, the imitation of emotions and are often very popular.

They come in all shapes and size there are plenty on Jeremy Kyle as well.

But they generally do very well in life because they have no empathy and simply do not give a shit who they destroy to get to the top.

Here are the top ten careers which attract the most psychopaths.

1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (TV/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police Officer

8. Clergy

9. Chef

10. Civil Servant
harrypalmer
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“...

Here are the top ten careers which attract the most psychopaths....”

I am in one of those jobs. Could I be a psychopath? Could I be surrounded by potential psychopaths?

To add another layer, I think that people both at the pinnacle of those professions and also those coasting at the bottom of them are sometimes marked out as psychopaths. It's a very inexact method of diagnosis.

The archetypal heartless and tyrannical boss acquires the reputation, while lower-level people, keeping the career quietly career ticking over while having a second career as a serial killer or rapist or money launderer is almost never detected until it's too late.

Just to put a further stick in the wheel, there are also people much lower down the employment ladder with these traits.
Reality Sucks
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Don't have to look the prof up because I have seen him plenty of times - I know how common psychopaths are and how few turn into serial killers or career criminals (they compose around 1% of the population IIRC).

We have all met them - you sense there is something not quite right but they are masters of manipulation, deception, the imitation of emotions and are often very popular.

They come in all shapes and size there are plenty on Jeremy Kyle as well.

But they generally do very well in life because they have no empathy and simply do not give a shit who they destroy to get to the top.

Here are the top ten careers which attract the most psychopaths.

1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (TV/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police Officer

8. Clergy

9. Chef

10. Civil Servant”


Where are the politicians? They should be on that list ( or do they come under the civil servant umbrella?) also there must be some in the army/SAS/RAF/Navy
LeeBoy19
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Brian The Dog:
“In this day of recording devices and catch up services, is that even a problem now in 2016?
Chose one, watch the other later.”

Yes never ceases to amaze me how some people still perceive clashes of programme times to be a problem. I wonder how many households these days do not have means of recording tv for later viewing, ignoring the catch up services. Also amazes me when people are up in arms because a TV show has been switched within BBC network of channels. Yes if it's been done at short notice and epg not updated. Amazes me how many people really do just stick to BBC1 or other main channels. I know the BBC will switch whole shows from say BBC2 to BBC1 or BBC4 to BBC2 and get a huge lift in audience. I guess it illustrates how fickle people are.
Brian The Dog
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“
1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (TV/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police Officer

8. Clergy

9. Chef

10. Civil Servant”

All people who can legally sign your passport application as upstanding members of society.
Jane_Lee3
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Brian The Dog:
“All people who can legally sign your passport application as upstanding members of society. ”

Not sure if joking or not.........

However,

At least half of those 10 couldn't sign. ^^^ Last time I wanted someone to sign my photo to verify who I was; I tried a friend who was a housing executive at the council (with 80 people beneath her at work,) a bank manager, and a hairdresser who owned the salon, so she was the CEO. All 3 were no good. Also, a DJ, a chef, a salesperson, and a journalist wouldn't be able to do it.

The person I used in the end was a doctor.
seejay63
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by LeeBoy19:
“Yes never ceases to amaze me how some people still perceive clashes of programme times to be a problem. I wonder how many households these days do not have means of recording tv for later viewing, ignoring the catch up services.”

I don't. It's not a problem though. We can catch up on BBC and Channel 4 programmes on the PS4. If an ITV programme clashes with anything we watch ITV and catch up with the other programme (ITV Player isn't available on PS4 for some reason). It's not often that happens though as we tend to watch things from torrent sites (not sure how legal they are though )
Faust
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by LeeBoy19:
“Yes never ceases to amaze me how some people still perceive clashes of programme times to be a problem. I wonder how many households these days do not have means of recording tv for later viewing, ignoring the catch up services. Also amazes me when people are up in arms because a TV show has been switched within BBC network of channels. Yes if it's been done at short notice and epg not updated. Amazes me how many people really do just stick to BBC1 or other main channels. I know the BBC will switch whole shows from say BBC2 to BBC1 or BBC4 to BBC2 and get a huge lift in audience. I guess it illustrates how fickle people are.”

Well they reckon two thirds of the country are still on 'standard variable tariffs' for their gas and electricity. How ridiculously stupid and idle minded is that?

We have three PVRs but keep thinking we could do with an extra one. Lost count of the streaming options.
waz101
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“
Here are the top ten careers which attract the most psychopaths.

1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (TV/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police Officer

8. Clergy

9. Chef

10. Civil Servant”

Isn't the most common job of Serial Killers a Lorry/Truck Driver?

We've had

Peter Sutcliffe (Yorkshire Ripper)

Robert Black

John Boyer

Steve Wright

I'm pretty sure that there are several more, but there isn't a comprehensive list for the UK.

There is for the USA though http://listverse.com/2015/10/31/10-s...haul-truckers/
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