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owllover
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lilylilac:
“As for Timothy Evans changing accent, as people have said John Barrowman does it and so does that woman in Eastenders, she has a London accent in England and speaks with her native Scots accent when back home..... I understood why he was doing it straight away, my English/Scottish kids do it all the time.”

Lulu's been doing it for about sixty years.
Brian The Dog
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by billiesmith:
“I'm watching but can't say I'm enjoying. The acting and atmospherics are first class but it just leaves me feeling drained and sad. Knowing that all this actually happened (and much worse than we are seeing) means I can't really get any enjoyment from it as I would if it was just a drama, but somehow I feel I have to see it through to the end now.

I've never seen the Richard Attenborough film and I don't think I'll be seeking it out.”

I don't think anyone is enjoying it in that sense. It's hardly a comedy.
People so watch things like depictions of war and many other horrific things to get an experience of what something was like when they were not there.

Also as this is a dramatisation, we can enjoy the acting performances and think that they are great whilst being harrowed by the events they are portraying.
davie1924
07-12-2016
[quote=billiesmith;84824094]I'm watching but can't say I'm enjoying. The acting and atmospherics are first class but it just leaves me feeling drained and sad. Knowing that all this actually happened (and much worse than we are seeing) means I can't really get any enjoyment from it as I would if it was just a drama, but somehow I feel I have to see it through to the end now.

I've never seen the Richard Attenborough film and I don't think I'll be seeking it out.[/QUOTE
Sorry, but what you were expecting to see? Fawlty Towers?
rhumble
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by owllover:
“Lulu's been doing it for about sixty years.”

John Barrowman is also terrible for it , he does Scottish and American depending on which show he is on , he can be speaking in his American accent he does when he is living there and then he is Scottish when over here
Reality Sucks
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by billiesmith:
“I'm watching but can't say I'm enjoying. The acting and atmospherics are first class but it just leaves me feeling drained and sad. Knowing that all this actually happened (and much worse than we are seeing) means I can't really get any enjoyment from it as I would if it was just a drama, but somehow I feel I have to see it through to the end now.

I've never seen the Richard Attenborough film and I don't think I'll be seeking it out.”

I feel much the same. I recorded last night's and started watching it tonight, but had to turn it off half way through, knowing what was going to happen. Probably the worst miscarriage of justice in British history. That poor boy was only 25 - life just beginning and thinking he could trust a monster like Christie.
Faust
07-12-2016
It's not a bad watch but it is missing so much detail that it's beginning to get annoying. I feel they have missed more out than they have put in.

When at the start it says 'based on real events' it should actually say 'very loosely based on real events' or 'a passing nod to real events'.
Iced Water
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by dragonrapide:
“Completely agree, yet another BBC drama that we can't be bothered to watch because the sound is so bad. These days we give BBC drama 10 minutes and if we can't hear clearly we turn it off which is what we did with this. Never a problem with ITV or any other channel.”

I think with the BBC that they want the audience when watching dramas to make them feel as if they were eavesdropping.
I do find it hard to make out but just turn up the volume. Watching it on the Iplayer is better as I hear better watching it that way.
I like the fact that each of the episodes are from like the first one Ethel's point of view then last night's Tim's and the final one Christie's.
I have to admit though I really missed Ethel( Samantha Morton) last night as she was rarely in it. I did prefer last weeks episode to the one last night. I think the acting is superb. I'm looking forward to next weeks episode.
billiesmith
07-12-2016
Originally Posted by Brian The Dog:
“I don't think anyone is enjoying it in that sense. It's hardly a comedy.
People so watch things like depictions of war and many other horrific things to get an experience of what something was like when they were not there.

Also as this is a dramatisation, we can enjoy the acting performances and think that they are great whilst being harrowed by the events they are portraying.”

Yes, I understand that lots of people watch for various reasons - I wasn't expecting a comedy and my comments were not meant as a criticism of anyone else, I just didn't expect to feel quite so harrowed by it, was all I was saying.

Originally Posted by davie1924:
“Sorry, but what you were expecting to see? Fawlty Towers?”

No, not Fawlty Towers, but neither was I expecting sarcasm when I posted.

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I feel much the same. I recorded last night's and started watching it tonight, but had to turn it off half way through, knowing what was going to happen. Probably the worst miscarriage of justice in British history. That poor boy was only 25 - life just beginning and thinking he could trust a monster like Christie. ”

Thank you for understanding what I posted - I started watching as my OH wanted to watch. He watches lots of true life crime programmes - but I usually don't. However., as harrowing as I am finding it, I am also finding it quite compelling.
owllover
08-12-2016
Samantha Morton and Tim Roth have always been two of my favourites.

She's always so good at conveying defeat, abjectness, quiet acceptance etc without making me want to shake her and wake her up.

Tim Roth is so watchful, icy, calculating, seductive etc.

Both their acting is so subtle.

This was inspired casting.
Moany Liza
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lorraine:
“The different accents are intentional.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...llington-place”

I'm surprised that people are surprised by this. It's not unusual for people to adopt accents in order to "fit in" or when desirable in certain situations. He clearly wanted to seem to be "at home" in London, hence the London accent, however it would have been odd for Tim to have not reverted back to his usual Welsh accent when he was around his own Welsh family members.

Just look at John Barrowman, whose US accent is completely shelved when he is back in Scotland with his parents.

EDIT: Having read more of the responses, I see others have used the same example.
Heston Veston
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“It's not a bad watch but it is missing so much detail that it's beginning to get annoying. I feel they have missed more out than they have put in.

When at the start it says 'based on real events' it should actually say 'very loosely based on real events' or 'a passing nod to real events'.”

It is a drama, not a documentary.
Leanne_Blake1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by owllover:
“Lulu's been doing it for about sixty years.”

Yip...veers between east end of Glasgow, to south of England via mid Atlantic.
Leanne_Blake1
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by owllover:
“Samantha Morton and Tim Roth have always been two of my favourites.

She's always so good at conveying defeat, abjectness, quiet acceptance etc without making me want to shake her and wake her up.

Tim Roth is so watchful, icy, calculating, seductive etc.

Both their acting is so subtle.

This was inspired casting.”

Absolutely. 2 top class British actors.
seejay63
08-12-2016
Ethel was even a witness for the prosecution. No doubt bullied into it by her husband.

The bodies weren't originally in the washhouse. There were workmen who had done some work in there after the murders, and the bodies weren't there. They weren't asked to give evidence, and the police forced them to change their statements anyway to fit the charge they had brought against Evans.

It's also appalling that a trial in which a person's life was literally hanging in the balance could be conducted over only three days, and the jury could make their decision in only 40 minutes.
seejay63
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by owllover:
“Lulu's been doing it for about sixty years.”

Didn't Cilla Black do it too? From what I've heard she'd acquired a bit of a posh accent for her private life, but used an exaggerated Scouse accent for the telly.
yviebabe
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“Didn't Cilla Black do it too? From what I've heard she'd acquired a bit of a posh accent for her private life, but used an exaggerated Scouse accent for the telly.”

My mum came from Liverpool, and lived in Brighton after she married. I never thought she had a Scouse accent, but the minute she was on the phone to her sister, out it came!
Supratad
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by davie1924:
“Sorry, but what you were expecting to see? Fawlty Towers?”

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plains?
Moany Liza
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Supratad:
“The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plains?”

R V
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by owllover:
“Lulu's been doing it for about sixty years.”

and Nicky Campbell
Harry_flashman
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“Ethel was even a witness for the prosecution. No doubt bullied into it by her husband.

The bodies weren't originally in the washhouse. There were workmen who had done some work in there after the murders, and the bodies weren't there. They weren't asked to give evidence, and the police forced them to change their statements anyway to fit the charge they had brought against Evans.

It's also appalling that a trial in which a person's life was literally hanging in the balance could be conducted over only three days, and the jury could make their decision in only 40 minutes.”

I haven't read the whole thread but Ethel certainly seems to be generating more sympathy than I've ever encountered for the likes of Maxine Carr when it seems Ethel has more serious and repeated accusations against her .

As regards the show it's obviously followed the Kennedy narrative but I think it been excellent television with the type of performances you'd expect from Roth & Morton , difficult viewing at times but a must watch for me .
RegTumbler
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by seejay63:
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It's also appalling that a trial in which a person's life was literally hanging in the balance could be conducted over only three days, and the jury could make their decision in only 40 minutes.”

The appalling thing was not the brevity of the trial. Evans was the prime suspect and had they spent 3 weeks trying the case and 40 days deliberating on the verdict, the jury would have come to the same conclusion. However had more time and care been spent on investigating the case and more particularly searching 10 RIllington Place and its garden, then the bodies of the earlier victims would have been discovered and the inevitable inference that Christie was responsible for the demise of Beryl and baby Geraldine would have been made and Evans would have been exonerated.
Daniel Dare
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Johnny_Cash:
“Odd series. It seems ti be reliant on people knowing what Christie had done. Thus far he has just been a normal neighbour outside of a botched abortion.”

Originally Posted by Lilylilac:
“Isn't this the same with every serial killer, you can only piece it together after they're caught, all serial killers seem like normal neighbours or else they wouldn't be serial killers would they?”

I used to work for one, Peter Moore from Kinmel Bay. I was a projectionist at one of his cinemas in North Wales. I even used to have the occasional lift into work with him if my car was in the garage being repaired or MOT'd.
He went on to murder four homosexual men (as well as attacking more). The strange thing was, he was one himself.
I can tell you that he seemed normal and being a manager of three cinemas in the area would have plenty of interaction with the public and no-one suspected a thing.
Horace Wimp
08-12-2016
while there is no music at such, the effects guy is having a whale of a time with his atmospheric low frequency rumbling at the bits that we are meant to think are frigtening, but like, aren't remotely frightening.

The series is running on the fumes of the the third epsode which better be bloody good after 116 minutes of arty flashbacks. plot misdirection, breathy talking from Roth and silent film style reaction shots from Morton.
Lilylilac
08-12-2016
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“I used to work for one, Peter Moore from Kinmel Bay. I was a projectionist at one of his cinemas in North Wales. I even used to have the occasional lift into work with him if my car was in the garage being repaired or MOT'd.
He went on to murder four homosexual men (as well as attacking more). The strange thing was, he was one himself.
I can tell you that he seemed normal and being a manager of three cinemas in the area would have plenty of interaction with the public and no-one suspected a thing.”

Nobody suspected the fine doctor Shipman was a serial killer or the charming Ted Bundy.... I don't think it's strange that Peter Moore was a homosexual, most serial killers of gay men turn out to be gay themselves...... Thing is you never know who is giving you a lift to work in the mornings.
JezR
08-12-2016
A friend of mine had Harold Shipman as his doctor. He said there seemed nothing suspicious about him that he could tell - although he wasn't in the demographic that he targeted of course.
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