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Old 29-11-2016, 14:47
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There's speculation that E4 HD may be going FTA, this would be ideal for Channel 4 to get it on Freeview in peak time until more space becomes available.



I agree.

When searching for the ITV variants, it's difficult because they're all now labeled as 'ITV', which tells you did all!

Perhaps this was done to discourage people from watching a region other than their own.

When searching for channels manually, is the label shown what ends up being shown on the EPG? Ie is it the same data?
The only way you know is knowing which sID number you are tuned to - all ITVs are labelled "ITV" etc. All ITV HDs are labelled ITV HD - with no idea what regiion is what - again very unhelpful.

Wales has its own region labelled as does Border England but that is it - even Border Scotland is labelled "ITV", and Border HD is labelled "ITV HD" - again very confusing.

The EPG data does show correct info but for local news in West country for example, there are two programmes withe the same synopsis in both regions even though they are different!
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Old 29-11-2016, 20:14
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I see what you mean. The same approach STV took would be fine of course. I suspect what will happen is that there will be no swap in England until all the sub-regions are in HD. However, yes there is no reason why London and Granada at least cold swap already. All the others have different sub-regions.
Tyne Tees is another area without any sub regions. Similarly as both ITV West Country variants are now in HD that could swap also.
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Old 29-11-2016, 20:23
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It becomes a nightmare trying to organise publicity etc. - I suspect it will cost a lot of money with EPG fees too.

If it was easy then they would have done it - along with the BBC.

Don't forget - the Sky Apps do not handle HD/SD swapping correctly yet. Premier Sports SD/HD are wrong for subscribers, so are the BT Sport channels.

So god knows what you'll end up with trying to record ITV from the apps.
As ITV Wales HD is already swapped at 103 (probably because BBC One Wales HD was already swapped at 101) that largely blows that argument up. The BBC have done it also for Scotland and Northern Ireland and UTV and STV (in Central Scotland) have done it as well. ITV hardly ever refers to 103 or 178 in its publicity etc. If you subscribe to BT Sport HD then the swap arrangement applies - I think that is also the case with Premier Sport HD subscribers. It is only non subscribers who do not have the channels "swapped".

The only reason ITV regions are not HD swapped where possible is because so far ITV has not chosen to do so.
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Old 29-11-2016, 20:43
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It is the sub-regions that need to change to HD first or it gets confusing.

So which channel number would find my local news?

In the EPG there is no difference in the EPG, synopsis or even the presenters of the local news programmes in SD and HD - yet the news stories are different regions.
As I say, for now they should switch the regions that have an identical HD variant. Such as Granada.

For me 103 and 178 are identical, just one is SD and the other is HD.
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Old 29-11-2016, 21:24
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Update

"55270" has now been relabelled as 'Made In Cardiff'.

'Made In Cardiff' has now changed transponders, moving from 11.082 H, 22.000, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK to 11.343 V, 27.500, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

The spare "55270" hasn't been removed yet.
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Old 30-11-2016, 08:01
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As I say, for now they should switch the regions that have an identical HD variant. Such as Granada.

For me 103 and 178 are identical, just one is SD and the other is HD.
My theory why ITV haven't done this is possibly due to those in micro-regions complaining that they aren't getting the same treatment as the main macro regions but likewise could also be down to costs doing it piecemeal rather than kne wholesale change.

ITV have the capacity to launch another six HD regions right now but so far haven't done so. Obviously Erricson will charge engineering costs to make the rest of what's left HD at Playout so maybe that's a factor too.
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Old 30-11-2016, 11:18
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11.612 H, SR 23000 FEC 2/3 DVB-S2 8PSK

50400 - showing colour bars with 1kHz tone (clear)
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Old 30-11-2016, 11:48
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Have the following actually been added to the EPG in Ireland or anywhere? They popped up before the Olympics):
10.773 H DVB-S QPSK SR 22 FEC 5/6
BBC 1 Lon (SID is 6321) BBC One London, same stream as main channel EPG
BBC 2 Eng (SID is 6322) BBC Two England, same stream as main channel EPG

10.818 V DVB-S QPSK SR 22 FEC 5/6
BBC1 NI (SID is 10392) BBC One Northern Ireland, same stream as main channel EPG
BBC2 NI (SID is 10393) BBC TWO Northern Ireland, same stream as main channel NO EPG
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Old 30-11-2016, 11:49
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50316 - Bloomberg TV Europe

This is currently on 11.686 V

UPDATE

11.068 V SR 23000 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 8PSK

20825 - showing ITV4 - now visible
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Old 30-11-2016, 11:50
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Have the following actually been added to the EPG in Ireland or anywhere? They popped up before the Olympics):
10.773 H DVB-S QPSK SR 22 FEC 5/6
BBC 1 Lon (SID is 6321) BBC One London, same stream as main channel EPG
BBC 2 Eng (SID is 6322) BBC Two England, same stream as main channel EPG

10.818 V DVB-S QPSK SR 22 FEC 5/6
BBC1 NI (SID is 10392) BBC One Northern Ireland, same stream as main channel EPG
BBC2 NI (SID is 10393) BBC TWO Northern Ireland, same stream as main channel NO EPG
The second two you mention have - in Ireland - but the first two are still not on the EPG anywhere.
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Old 30-11-2016, 12:14
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We're still waiting for the HD versions of BBC Four,Cbeebies and CBBC in Ireland.
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Old 30-11-2016, 12:47
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We're still waiting for the HD versions of BBC Four,Cbeebies and CBBC in Ireland.
Unfortunately, still no news on those yet I'm afraid. You will find out here at a time yet to be determined.
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Old 30-11-2016, 12:51
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50316 - Bloomberg TV Europe

This is currently on 11.686 V

UPDATE

11.068 V SR 23000 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 8PSK

20825 - showing ITV4 - now visible
I can now view ITV4 HD. This was showing an upgrade screen. Epg now says The first live PPV event 3.00pm. It will be interesting to see if we will be able to view it after 3.00pm today.
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Old 30-11-2016, 13:15
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11.082 H SR 22000 FEC 5/6 DVB-S QPSK

50316 - Bloomberg TV Europe

This is currently on 11.686 V

UPDATE

11.068 V SR 23000 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 8PSK

20825 - showing ITV4 - now visible
Thanks for the update.

Just looking at bloombergs new freq is sčems to a lot clearer the the current bloomberg thats on the current sky epg. Are
They possibly test foŕ bloomberg HD nxt yr?

(This is my own tough)

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Old 30-11-2016, 14:11
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11.343 V, 27.500, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

The spare "55270" has now been removed.
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:22
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Are these labels still not being used?
Txp# 1 - 11.720 H, DVB-S2, SR 29.500 FEC 8/9 QPSK
Sky Sports 4 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)
Sky Sports 2 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)
Sky Sports 3 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)

Txp# 26 - 12.207 V, SR 27.500 FEC 5/6
Sky Sports 4 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)
Sky Sports 2 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)
Sky Sports 3 in Pubs__no signal (jimbo)
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:22
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Scotland, Wales and NI are nations - not regions. So everybody in that country is the same - they all get their local news on 101/103.

I'm not arguing as I said before - I don't care as ITV local news is usually not local here - so is rarely watched.

My point about BT and Premier is that Sky have not yet been able to get the HD/SD swapping to work - so perhaps ITV/BBC would have the same problem.

If you subscribe to BT Sport HD or Premier Sport HD - the Sky apps have never pointed to the correct channel numbers. They swap in the Sky box but not on the apps.

As ITV Wales HD is already swapped at 103 (probably because BBC One Wales HD was already swapped at 101) that largely blows that argument up. The BBC have done it also for Scotland and Northern Ireland and UTV and STV (in Central Scotland) have done it as well. ITV hardly ever refers to 103 or 178 in its publicity etc. If you subscribe to BT Sport HD then the swap arrangement applies - I think that is also the case with Premier Sport HD subscribers. It is only non subscribers who do not have the channels "swapped".

The only reason ITV regions are not HD swapped where possible is because so far ITV has not chosen to do so.
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:28
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Scotland, Wales and NI are nations - not regions.
STV is two different regions, with several different sub-regions. They have successfully implemented the HD swap in the sub-region that has HD, while keeping SD on 103 for everyone else, proving it can be done.
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:36
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20825 is now showing This programme has already started. Please check listings for next showing. It will be interesting to see what ITV Box Office will show. Any ideas guys.
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:49
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Perhaps it the advertising team that doesn't want to change??

But I don't see why everybody is getting upset it hasn't moved.

I'm not arguing that they should move - but then I don't see why they should.

There is no direct entry to the Guide on SkyQ - so perhaps the logical numbers are becoming less important??

STV is two different regions, with several different sub-regions. They have successfully implemented the HD swap in the sub-region that has HD, while keeping SD on 103 for everyone else, proving it can be done.
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Old 30-11-2016, 17:09
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What's Sky Q?
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:27
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"Inspiration" has been relabelled "Inspiration TV"

11.306 V SR 27500 FEC 2/3 DVB-S QPSK

"Pop Max" has been relabelled "Tiny Pop +1"

12.070 H SR 27500 FEC 5/6 DVB-S QPSK

"XXXAllNaturals" has been relabelled "XXX Swingers"

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Old 01-12-2016, 11:53
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'BON TV' (was at 'No signal')...Now showing technical fault message with EPG data.


11.464 H, 22.000, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

'Arise News' (still broadcasting)....No longer carrying EPG data.


11.344 H, 27.500, 5/6, DVB-S, QPSK.

The spare "53276" has now been removed.
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Old 01-12-2016, 18:22
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ID (Investigation Discovery) moved from the Factual genre to the Entertainment genre on Virgin Media's EPG this week.

I don't like the move personally, but are there any signs that it is to make a similar move on the Sky EPG?

To enable it to happen on Virgin Media it displaced DMAX, so in theory the same could happen on Sky.
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Old 01-12-2016, 18:45
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'BON TV' now back at 'No signal'.
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