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Old 12-12-2016, 18:12
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Or it may not as we don't live in North Korea. It's a very odd method of control when DAB offers greater access to Russian and soft Chinese propaganda, then add in all the other ways you can now access it.
If DRM across MW particularly had taken off, this may have resulted in stations with near fm quality broadcasting music to the UK in direct competition with the established stations. I'm not suggesting this was THE reason but may have contributed towards the lack of enthusiasm for the mode.

Many Counties, not just North Korea, don't favour stations that are beyond their control having access to large numbers of their population, if you remember.
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Old 12-12-2016, 18:49
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If DRM across MW particularly had taken off, this may have resulted in stations with near fm quality broadcasting music to the UK in direct competition with the established stations. I'm not suggesting this was THE reason but may have contributed towards the lack of enthusiasm for the mode.

Many Counties, not just North Korea, don't favour stations that are beyond their control having access to large numbers of their population, if you remember.
That wasn't really my point, I mentioned North Korea because access to all media other than that from a one party dictatorship is not allowed, radios for example are fixed frequency so medium wave reception can be controlled if necessary. As far as I am concerned that will never happen in this country because we are a parliamentary democracy.

The use of medium wave for broadcasts to the UK or indeed cross border broadcasting in general ignore the fact that ITU article 23.3 states

""In principle, except in the frequency band 3,900 -4000 KHz, broadcasting stations using frequencies below 5060 KHz or above 41 MHz shall not employ power exceeding that necessary to maintain economically an effective national service of good quality within the frontiers of the country concerned."

The BBC flagrantly breached this for years by using 1296 and 648 solely for external broadcasting, so did America via West German sites, Germany had not signed the Copenhagen Plan was one of the excuses they used, as did Russia.

Atlantic 252 was stretching the regulations by using a frequency with a power that had been approved for domestic broadcasting. It did not use a directional aerial. Shortwave is for cross border broadcasting.

We've strayed off topic.
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Old 12-12-2016, 19:21
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That wasn't really my point, I mentioned North Korea because access to all media other than that from a one party dictatorship is not allowed, radios for example are fixed frequency so medium wave reception can be controlled if necessary. As far as I am concerned that will never happen in this country because we are a parliamentary democracy.

The use of medium wave for broadcasts to the UK or indeed cross border broadcasting in general ignore the fact that ITU article 23.3 states

""In principle, except in the frequency band 3,900 -4000 KHz, broadcasting stations using frequencies below 5060 KHz or above 41 MHz shall not employ power exceeding that necessary to maintain economically an effective national service of good quality within the frontiers of the country concerned."

The BBC flagrantly breached this for years by using 1296 and 648 solely for external broadcasting, so did America via West German sites, Germany had not signed the Copenhagen Plan was one of the excuses they used, as did Russia.

Atlantic 252 was stretching the regulations by using a frequency with a power that had been approved for domestic broadcasting. It did not use a directional aerial. Shortwave is for cross border broadcasting.

We've strayed off topic.
Yes, I think there was always a point of hypocrisy by many governments.

I know we are talking about slightly different issues regarding cross border broadcasting, but my point about DRM is more of a commercial one not propaganda. I can't imagine the commercial sector or BBC let alone the government being pleased with a station from outside of the UK taking audiences away. Obviously this happened before with Luxembourg and the offshore stations, but with DRM the quality to many listeners would have appeared almost as good as fm on cheap portable receivers the masses may have available. The commercial sector would be worried about loss of revenue, the BBC loss of audiences, and the Government loss of news control.

This content from foreign stations is of course available online or via satellite, but not with the simplicity a DRM or multi-platform digital portable receiver could offer.
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Old 12-12-2016, 20:20
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Really interesting last few posts. Off topic, but also on topic, in the respect that Caroline existed to blast through borders from international waters.

Surely the notion of governments being worried about DRM etc are rendered irrelevant by the massive onslaught of popular culture and ideas via social networks? Their scale of influence transcends borders and is vastly more powerful by a factor of thousands than any international broadcasting services. I'd be amazed if this was still a concern of the government.

In a way this situation only adds weight to the argument to hand higher power licenses to minority groups: Better the regulator have some control via the licencing system, than none at all online.
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Old 13-12-2016, 00:08
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The regulator's control of broadcasts online won't be affected by the power of regulated AM broadcasts.

The regulator should increase power to a level that doesn't cause interference to existing AM stations.
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