The storylines are just awful. I hope it picks up by Christmas.
What Is Going On With Ee
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I have been enjoying this new regime that has been on our screens of late, but tonight's episode was a low point. Bored to death with that bloody pantomime crap for a start.
Originally Posted by Eastenderstreet:
“Which I think most of us would agree is an utter crime to soap, there's no logic in his decision to do this whatsoever.”
“Which I think most of us would agree is an utter crime to soap, there's no logic in his decision to do this whatsoever.”
Yet the BBC allow him to do this.
No sympathy when it starts getting slated in the press (its started already) Also the storyline itself, i know it hasnt aired yet, but it cant be difficult to pre judge that Ronnie's death via wedding dress is probably going to go down as the most ridiculous moment in EE history. the new producer is a clown.
Originally Posted by Lillylei:
“The camera work tonight was making me feel sick, whats with all the panning/zooming in and out?
The other day the music was so loud over dialogue that i thought somethign else was playing while i was watching it.”
“The camera work tonight was making me feel sick, whats with all the panning/zooming in and out?
The other day the music was so loud over dialogue that i thought somethign else was playing while i was watching it.”
Yep felt like i had vertigo last week when watching.
I feel like I'm watching a different show from everyone else because I'm still enjoying it. Not much is happening at the moment, but this is the most I've cared about the characters in a long time. Miracles don't happen overnight.
Originally Posted by walford-e20:
“I feel like I'm watching a different show from everyone else because I'm still enjoying it. Not much is happening at the moment, but this is the most I've cared about the characters in a long time. Miracles don't happen overnight.”
“I feel like I'm watching a different show from everyone else because I'm still enjoying it. Not much is happening at the moment, but this is the most I've cared about the characters in a long time. Miracles don't happen overnight.”
Yep think you are watching a different show
The whole 'caring about characters' is what they are going for, as thats what Sharon Marshell said on This Morning last week, its obviously working for you, however its definately not for me! I am finding I cannot care less about any of them, they have all turned into wet blankets, the writers have managed to do the complete opposite of what they have set out to achieve, look at what they have done to Stacey Branning ffs.
I am finding the only characters I really am slightly interested in are Ronnie and Roxy, and they are being killed off! What a farce.
I think the main problem is that other producers would have give an interview by now (although I don't believe SOC should have to) so we have no idea about what his vision for the show is. All we have to go on is his previous work which was by no means boring:
-"You ain't my muvva"
-Mo and Trevor
-Dot and Jim
-The most critically acclaimed storyline in The Archers history.
Although I'm not saying it's perfect, even people who aren't enjoying it will admit that aspects have improved such as characterisation. Christmas and New Year with Max and R&R taking centre stage sounds good. But the real test will be his 2017 storylines, of course I have defended SOC and given him the benefit of the doubt, there is every chance that he might not be what EE needs. But I hope that the BBC would take action if ratings slipped or there was overwhelming dislike of EE. My biggest worry and concern is that if SOC does fail, I don't think EE can take another bad producer as I do think it could spell the beginning of the end for it. But the BBC will have heard his plans for the show before he started and obviously approved of them, so I have every confidence in him. Just give him a chance. If you could sit through even half the dross Kirkwood, Newman and DTC churned out then I'm sure you can give it another few weeks.
-"You ain't my muvva"
-Mo and Trevor
-Dot and Jim
-The most critically acclaimed storyline in The Archers history.
Although I'm not saying it's perfect, even people who aren't enjoying it will admit that aspects have improved such as characterisation. Christmas and New Year with Max and R&R taking centre stage sounds good. But the real test will be his 2017 storylines, of course I have defended SOC and given him the benefit of the doubt, there is every chance that he might not be what EE needs. But I hope that the BBC would take action if ratings slipped or there was overwhelming dislike of EE. My biggest worry and concern is that if SOC does fail, I don't think EE can take another bad producer as I do think it could spell the beginning of the end for it. But the BBC will have heard his plans for the show before he started and obviously approved of them, so I have every confidence in him. Just give him a chance. If you could sit through even half the dross Kirkwood, Newman and DTC churned out then I'm sure you can give it another few weeks.
Originally Posted by Tomski12:
“I think the main problem is that other producers would have give an interview by now (although I don't believe SOC should have to) so we have no idea about what his vision for the show is. All we have to go on is his previous work which was by no means boring:
-"You ain't my muvva"
-Mo and Trevor
-Dot and Jim
-The most critically acclaimed storyline in The Archers history.
Although I'm not saying it's perfect, even people who aren't enjoying it will admit that aspects have improved such as characterisation. Christmas and New Year with Max and R&R taking centre stage sounds good. But the real test will be his 2017 storylines, of course I have defended SOC and given him the benefit of the doubt, there is every chance that he might not be what EE needs. But I hope that the BBC would take action if ratings slipped or there was overwhelming dislike of EE. My biggest worry and concern is that if SOC does fail, I don't think EE can take another bad producer as I do think it could spell the beginning of the end for it. But the BBC will have heard his plans for the show before he started and obviously approved of them, so I have every confidence in him. Just give him a chance. If you could sit through even half the dross Kirkwood, Newman and DTC churned out then I'm sure you can give it another few weeks.”
“I think the main problem is that other producers would have give an interview by now (although I don't believe SOC should have to) so we have no idea about what his vision for the show is. All we have to go on is his previous work which was by no means boring:
-"You ain't my muvva"
-Mo and Trevor
-Dot and Jim
-The most critically acclaimed storyline in The Archers history.
Although I'm not saying it's perfect, even people who aren't enjoying it will admit that aspects have improved such as characterisation. Christmas and New Year with Max and R&R taking centre stage sounds good. But the real test will be his 2017 storylines, of course I have defended SOC and given him the benefit of the doubt, there is every chance that he might not be what EE needs. But I hope that the BBC would take action if ratings slipped or there was overwhelming dislike of EE. My biggest worry and concern is that if SOC does fail, I don't think EE can take another bad producer as I do think it could spell the beginning of the end for it. But the BBC will have heard his plans for the show before he started and obviously approved of them, so I have every confidence in him. Just give him a chance. If you could sit through even half the dross Kirkwood, Newman and DTC churned out then I'm sure you can give it another few weeks.”
Never mind SOC.
I have ZERO confidence in the BBC. Which means we may aswell have Daffy Duck running the show.
Originally Posted by pinkprint:
“Yep think you are watching a different show
The whole 'caring about characters' is what they are going for, as thats what Sharon Marshell said on This Morning last week, its obviously working for you, however its definately not for me! I am finding I cannot care less about any of them, they have all turned into wet blankets, the writers have managed to do the complete opposite of what they have set out to achieve, look at what they have done to Stacey Branning ffs.
I am finding the only characters I really am slightly interested in are Ronnie and Roxy, and they are being killed off! What a farce.”
“Yep think you are watching a different show
The whole 'caring about characters' is what they are going for, as thats what Sharon Marshell said on This Morning last week, its obviously working for you, however its definately not for me! I am finding I cannot care less about any of them, they have all turned into wet blankets, the writers have managed to do the complete opposite of what they have set out to achieve, look at what they have done to Stacey Branning ffs.
I am finding the only characters I really am slightly interested in are Ronnie and Roxy, and they are being killed off! What a farce.
”
Regarding Stacey it's called character progression. Of course she's calmed down, she's now a mother and a wife. Of course she should always maintain that Slater edge to her, but she can't go around slapping and screaming all the time. And anyway, Stacey was calmed down way before that.
Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Tonight wasn't the best though.”
“Tonight wasn't the best though.”
Worst episode of the SOC's reign so far. He must be proud of himself!
I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as is being made out.
Even if it was I don't know why the same posters need to make exactly the same points ad infinitum every day in different threads on the same subject..
It's just as tedious to read as they're claiming the show is to watch.
I'm not trying to police anyone's opinion but there's only so many times I can read the same thing every day. Couldn't the repeated criticisms of SOC at least be confined to one thread? At least until something new happens.
Speak for yourself.
Kathy is a highlight for me. This is the best she's been since her return.
Even if it was I don't know why the same posters need to make exactly the same points ad infinitum every day in different threads on the same subject..
It's just as tedious to read as they're claiming the show is to watch.I'm not trying to police anyone's opinion but there's only so many times I can read the same thing every day. Couldn't the repeated criticisms of SOC at least be confined to one thread? At least until something new happens.
Originally Posted by AuntieSoap:
“Tonight was particularly poor. Inept even.
The return of Kathy has been a disaster and still doesn't ring true.”
“Tonight was particularly poor. Inept even.
The return of Kathy has been a disaster and still doesn't ring true.”
Speak for yourself.
Kathy is a highlight for me. This is the best she's been since her return.
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as is being made out.
Even if it was I don't know why the same posters need to make exactly the same points ad infinitum every day in different threads on the same subject.. It's just as tedious to read as they're claiming the show is to watch.
I'm not trying to police anyone's opinion but there's only so many times I can read the same thing every day. Couldn't the repeated criticisms of SOC at least be confined to one thread? At least until something new happens.
Speak for yourself.
Kathy is a highlight for me. This is the best she's been since her return.”
“I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as is being made out.
Even if it was I don't know why the same posters need to make exactly the same points ad infinitum every day in different threads on the same subject..
It's just as tedious to read as they're claiming the show is to watch.I'm not trying to police anyone's opinion but there's only so many times I can read the same thing every day. Couldn't the repeated criticisms of SOC at least be confined to one thread? At least until something new happens.
Speak for yourself.
Kathy is a highlight for me. This is the best she's been since her return.”
BIB Sorry but I think we are all guilty of that including yourself. I have been vocal about SOC's senseless culling of the cast, in the same way I have praised his increase of quality of characterisation but this week as last week has been chronically bad and even I am watching with one eye.
Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“BIB Sorry but I think we are all guilty of that including yourself. I have been vocal about SOC's senseless culling of the cast, in the same way I have praised his increase of quality of characterisation but this week as last week has been chronically bad and even I am watching with one eye.”
“BIB Sorry but I think we are all guilty of that including yourself. I have been vocal about SOC's senseless culling of the cast, in the same way I have praised his increase of quality of characterisation but this week as last week has been chronically bad and even I am watching with one eye.”
I have always found endless threads on the same subject a hindrance Aaron. I've complained about it before. Because I forget what I have and haven't replied to and it just gives people an opportunity to say the same thing they've said elsewhere to the point you get sick of reading it.
Otherwise I don't mind reading views that differ from my own. These threads mocking/criticising the change of tone under SOC are all pretty similar. At least if there's one thread on the subject then the conversation has a chance to go to different places as it moves along. All new threads on the same subject do is set the conversation back to the beginning.
Not sure what it is you're saying I'm guilty of exactly.
Obviously, like everyone, I have set views on the show that I post every now and then but I wouldn't post them several times a day in different threads on the same subject. The current SOC/'EE is doomed' threads remind me of the overload of 'The Carters are overused' ones from a year or so back.Anyway just my tuppence worth. I don't wish to upset anyone.
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“I have always found endless threads on the same subject a hindrance Aaron. I've complained about it before. Because I forget what I have and haven't replied to and it just gives people an opportunity to say the same thing they've said elsewhere to the point you get sick of reading it. Otherwise I don't mind reading views that differ from my own.
These threads mocking/criticising the change of tone under SOC are all pretty similar. At least if there's one thread on the subject then the conversation has a chance to go to different places as it moves along. All new threads on the same subject do is set the conversation back to the beginning.
Not sure what it is you're saying I'm guilty of exactly. Obviously, like everyone, I have set views on the show that I post every now and then but I wouldn't post them several times a day in different threads on the same subject. The current SOC/EE is doomed threads remind me of the overload of 'The Carters are overused' ones from a year or so back.
Anyway just my tuppence worth. I don't wish to upset anyone.”
“I have always found endless threads on the same subject a hindrance Aaron. I've complained about it before. Because I forget what I have and haven't replied to and it just gives people an opportunity to say the same thing they've said elsewhere to the point you get sick of reading it.
Otherwise I don't mind reading views that differ from my own. These threads mocking/criticising the change of tone under SOC are all pretty similar. At least if there's one thread on the subject then the conversation has a chance to go to different places as it moves along. All new threads on the same subject do is set the conversation back to the beginning.
Not sure what it is you're saying I'm guilty of exactly.
Obviously, like everyone, I have set views on the show that I post every now and then but I wouldn't post them several times a day in different threads on the same subject. The current SOC/EE is doomed threads remind me of the overload of 'The Carters are overused' ones from a year or so back.Anyway just my tuppence worth. I don't wish to upset anyone.
”
Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning, if you were talking about repetitive threads I agree with you that bugs me too, but as far as repeating my own views I do have a tendency to do that as I do get fed up with certain posters and use it as a reply. I didn't really mean to pick an argument as such as I actually agree with quite a lot of what you say, unlike the poster that I often spar (in a friendly manner with) Lea who I almost never agree with
, but I did find the BIB a bit annoying because I think we all repeat ourselves in posts to back up our points but like I say repetitive threads bug me too. Sorry for any misunderstanding. 
Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning, if you were talking about repetitive threads I agree with you that bugs me too, but as far as repeating my own views I do have a tendency to do that as I do get fed up with certain posters and use it as a reply. I didn't really mean to pick an argument as such as I actually agree with quite a lot of what you say, unlike the poster that I often spar (in a friendly manner with) Lea who I almost never agree with, but I did find the BIB a bit annoying because I think we all repeat ourselves in posts to back up our points but like I say repetitive threads bug me too. Sorry for any misunderstanding. ”
“Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning, if you were talking about repetitive threads I agree with you that bugs me too, but as far as repeating my own views I do have a tendency to do that as I do get fed up with certain posters and use it as a reply. I didn't really mean to pick an argument as such as I actually agree with quite a lot of what you say, unlike the poster that I often spar (in a friendly manner with) Lea who I almost never agree with
, but I did find the BIB a bit annoying because I think we all repeat ourselves in posts to back up our points but like I say repetitive threads bug me too. Sorry for any misunderstanding. ”
No worries.
Kathy's return has indeed been abysmal. She's now part of one of the most boring and pointless storylines ever with that Xmas play nonsense.
Another day where Eastenders is the laughing stock on Digital Spy with the article about the brass band playing past 12.
I really enjoyed the first few weeks of SOC's reign but the last couple of weeks have been pretty dire and stuff like the pantomime/bingate and Shakil/Bex really need to stop. They are summer filler at best! Bingate in particular is just beyond a joke now.
I really enjoyed the first few weeks of SOC's reign but the last couple of weeks have been pretty dire and stuff like the pantomime/bingate and Shakil/Bex really need to stop. They are summer filler at best! Bingate in particular is just beyond a joke now.
So while I'm willing to still give him time, I think it's time I crawl out of the wood work as I recently caught up on the last fortnights worth of episode and frankly I wish I hadn't bothered.
I will say this now, I was a fan of DTC. His era wasn't always perfect but he did a great deal to continue to mend the damage left in the wake of Kirkwood's dismissal, he introduced a wave of great new characters, gave new life to those who had been forgotten about or destroyed by his two predecessors and brought us some truly memorable storylines. It wasn't always plain sailing but overall, he did a good job. I'm even willing to forgive him for Peggy's fanw*nky exit as it was unwatchable, just a little cringeworthy at points. Her actual death though was handled quite well and the aftermath was interesting to watch as McFadden really brought his A game!
When SOC started I was initially put on the backfoot by the axing of Ronnie and Roxy, one half of which has been one of my favourite characters since day one. I can agree that perhaps they needed a break and if he does indeed let them live, I probably won't grumble too much. But killing off either sister when we won't see how the other handles it, cause lets face it they love one another more than anyone else (bar Ronnie/Matthew maybe) so having one die and the other leave is pointless (killing off both is worse still). While they may need a break, ultimately a good writer can get the best out of the characters as Rita Simons has proved in the last year what a capable actor she can be - right now, she's the one highlight of an otherwise uneventful fortnight.
Right now, there are lots of little things going on but nothing seems to really be happening. In soap there are several strands of story going on at once but there is usually one (sometimes two) stories at the forefront. Currently there seems to be no A plot. As the peak of R&R will be NY, currently they'd be a B plot. The same could be said about Lee but if he was a more interesting character, it has the potential to be an A plot but personally I just can't warm to him. Phil's illness again hasn't reached a head yet so is currently a B plot strand. Then the exits of Masood, Belinda and Kyle have served a low B, high C plots. The community plots that serve no real purpose such as the darts and the community theatre are background C or D strands. Even with big hitters such as Phil and R&R in the midst of a storyline, neither story is currently in the A plot bracket.
His saving grace has been Billy who has been given a completely new lease of life and I'm currently always watching keenly when he's on screen which is something I don't think I've ever said. Perry Fenwick has always shown himself to be a very capable actor, his role in Jase's death and the Little Mo/Trevor storyline is a testement to that so I'm glad he's being given something new to work with.
In general, some of his characterizations have been good. While I find the am dram story cringeworthy, I'm liking Kathy, Derek, Abi and Patrick (what a random bunch!) and I'd disagree with the comment about Stacey, the Fowler family unit is a solid one but SOC is only building on DTC's good work there. Stacey has mellowed alot since her return so this is nothing new and we've seen how great Stacey and Martin have been since DTC brought them together.
Currently though, SOC's biggest crime is the horrendous camera work, the overbearing incidental music and the utterly bemusing DUFF DUFF moments.
All in all, it's not Kirkwood bad but it's a far cry from DTC's best work. That may come, I hope it does but I can't pretend I'm not concerned. Right now, it looks like the show is heading for it's darkest day yet!
I will say this now, I was a fan of DTC. His era wasn't always perfect but he did a great deal to continue to mend the damage left in the wake of Kirkwood's dismissal, he introduced a wave of great new characters, gave new life to those who had been forgotten about or destroyed by his two predecessors and brought us some truly memorable storylines. It wasn't always plain sailing but overall, he did a good job. I'm even willing to forgive him for Peggy's fanw*nky exit as it was unwatchable, just a little cringeworthy at points. Her actual death though was handled quite well and the aftermath was interesting to watch as McFadden really brought his A game!
When SOC started I was initially put on the backfoot by the axing of Ronnie and Roxy, one half of which has been one of my favourite characters since day one. I can agree that perhaps they needed a break and if he does indeed let them live, I probably won't grumble too much. But killing off either sister when we won't see how the other handles it, cause lets face it they love one another more than anyone else (bar Ronnie/Matthew maybe) so having one die and the other leave is pointless (killing off both is worse still). While they may need a break, ultimately a good writer can get the best out of the characters as Rita Simons has proved in the last year what a capable actor she can be - right now, she's the one highlight of an otherwise uneventful fortnight.
Right now, there are lots of little things going on but nothing seems to really be happening. In soap there are several strands of story going on at once but there is usually one (sometimes two) stories at the forefront. Currently there seems to be no A plot. As the peak of R&R will be NY, currently they'd be a B plot. The same could be said about Lee but if he was a more interesting character, it has the potential to be an A plot but personally I just can't warm to him. Phil's illness again hasn't reached a head yet so is currently a B plot strand. Then the exits of Masood, Belinda and Kyle have served a low B, high C plots. The community plots that serve no real purpose such as the darts and the community theatre are background C or D strands. Even with big hitters such as Phil and R&R in the midst of a storyline, neither story is currently in the A plot bracket.
His saving grace has been Billy who has been given a completely new lease of life and I'm currently always watching keenly when he's on screen which is something I don't think I've ever said. Perry Fenwick has always shown himself to be a very capable actor, his role in Jase's death and the Little Mo/Trevor storyline is a testement to that so I'm glad he's being given something new to work with.
In general, some of his characterizations have been good. While I find the am dram story cringeworthy, I'm liking Kathy, Derek, Abi and Patrick (what a random bunch!) and I'd disagree with the comment about Stacey, the Fowler family unit is a solid one but SOC is only building on DTC's good work there. Stacey has mellowed alot since her return so this is nothing new and we've seen how great Stacey and Martin have been since DTC brought them together.
Currently though, SOC's biggest crime is the horrendous camera work, the overbearing incidental music and the utterly bemusing DUFF DUFF moments.
All in all, it's not Kirkwood bad but it's a far cry from DTC's best work. That may come, I hope it does but I can't pretend I'm not concerned. Right now, it looks like the show is heading for it's darkest day yet!
Originally Posted by dantay24uk:
“
In general, some of his characterizations have been good. While I find the am dram story cringeworthy, I'm liking Kathy, Derek, Abi and Patrick (what a random bunch!) and I'd disagree with the comment about Stacey, the Fowler family unit is a solid one but SOC is only building on DTC's good work there. Stacey has mellowed alot since her return so this is nothing new and we've seen how great Stacey and Martin have been since DTC brought them together.
Currently though, SOC's biggest crime is the horrendous camera work, the overbearing incidental music and the utterly bemusing DUFF DUFF moments.”
“
In general, some of his characterizations have been good. While I find the am dram story cringeworthy, I'm liking Kathy, Derek, Abi and Patrick (what a random bunch!) and I'd disagree with the comment about Stacey, the Fowler family unit is a solid one but SOC is only building on DTC's good work there. Stacey has mellowed alot since her return so this is nothing new and we've seen how great Stacey and Martin have been since DTC brought them together.
Currently though, SOC's biggest crime is the horrendous camera work, the overbearing incidental music and the utterly bemusing DUFF DUFF moments.”
I'm enjoying the interaction between Patrick, Kathy, Derek and Abi but the storyline itself is awful. They have a real opportunity to have an am drams story that is light relief and festive but instead we have to put up with the awful Geraldine. Usually these type of tyrants have some kind of comedy element but she's just horrendous. Could we not just have had some scenes of them working on a panto with lots of laughs and no dramas as a relief from the other stuff.
I thought my eyes were off last night, the camera work is dreadful and the music is far too loud and seems totally out of place.
I've had moments of liking Ronnie and Roxy and others of being apathetic but the decision to kill them off is one of the silliest since the death of Pat Butcher. We only have to look at the debacle of them trying to explain the return of Kathy as to a good reason not to kill off major characters.
Sean O'Connor is meant to be a successful Writer and Producer so why is EastEnders struggling under his tenure?
I honestly don't think it's that bad at the moment. Yes it's quiet, but at least the characters are engaging and actually feel like human beings again. Kathy, Patrick and Dot getting the attention they deserve is a real highlight for me at the moment.
Besides, it's certainly nowhere near as bad as the utter shite that was served up in the Kirkwood/Newman eras (and some of the DTC era). SOC's approach is just very different to any of the show's producers in the last decade and it will take some getting used to. I am finding the characters the most likeable and believable they have been for several years and that is keeping me watching.
Besides, it's certainly nowhere near as bad as the utter shite that was served up in the Kirkwood/Newman eras (and some of the DTC era). SOC's approach is just very different to any of the show's producers in the last decade and it will take some getting used to. I am finding the characters the most likeable and believable they have been for several years and that is keeping me watching.
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