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I don't think she will be axed but I agree that Gillian Taylforth is not a strong Actress, remember Kat and Sharon's returns, they were both awful in their first year back. I think Kathy is safe primarily because she is Ian's Mum and she is amongst a batch of characters like Sharon, Ian, Phil & Dot who appear to be safe from any kind of axe from TPTB.
However, in this case, every episode she's in I immediately feel she shouldn't be there, that in fact it was a cop out on behalf of a producer trying to create hype, that it betrays viewers investment in the show and is undermining and manipulative of an audience in a way a drama of this type shouldn't ever be. There have been other stories that haven't rang true to me, sure, other performances that I have found weak and unconvincing, definitely, but personally this far outstrips the worst. I watched Kathy first time-round, from about '93 - '94 onwards and while I was never a fan I had no objections to the character and I did feel it was a huge error to kill her off. But they did. Kathy is dead and a feeble "from the headlines" explanation undermined so much of what went before that I just cannot ever see it being a success. No writing will ever get me past that. |
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bbc have step in and nip this in the bud, it has never been this bad there are people on here that are lying to themselves saying they are enjoying this, SOC forget giving him time get him out the guy is clueless, building up too christmas and we've got bloody shaqil and becks in one of the most uninteresting and pointless storylines, we all know SOC likes to axe anything that moves so how the hell has shaqil need been axed, its that bad i think he's delibaretly out to ruin it.
"Delibaretly out to ruin it"? Good grief, there's some very odd behavior on here lately. If you don't like it, don't watch it. |
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There’s different degrees of even ‘iconic status’, but Kathy definitely is within that mix somewhere. The fact the name ‘Kathy Beale’ stuck (as evidenced by Gillian's stints on Strictly Come Dancing and Celebrity Big Brother where it was repeatedly used) long after she was a Beale on-screen and Gillian was even in the programme denotes some degree of 'pop culture' status. There’s also the fact the café in EE – one of its most used locations - has been named after her for much of its existence, her character synonymous with the place. As well as Kathy’s relatives in the show, the caff ensured that Kathy was never really ‘forgotten’.
Then there was her role as Good Samaritan and her knitwear being sported by quite a few characters back in the 80s, generally noted for how awful it was in the press (I think it may even have inspired an EE knitwear pattern book) and the infamous duff duff where the knitting machine broke that is often referenced. I’m not saying she’s up there with the elite eg. Dirty Den and Dot Cotton but she is iconic. She might be less regarded by millenials but she has always been a notable character. Kathy’s death wouldn’t have bemoaned to the extent it was and reversed if she wasn’t one of the series big characters. – They don’t resurrect minor ones. Like bass I wouldn't deny they botched her comeback but there's more to a return than the initial story and these things can be turned around. EE needs an older female character from that era. The play storyline is rubbish (although people acting like EE hasn't had this sort of filler before in its nigh on 32 year existence is a bit odd) but she isn't involved in just that. She's taken over the café, is interacting with more characters, and is more actively involved in Ben's life. She's far from a problem area anymore IMO. They will never be able to retrieve this character no matter what they do with her. Nothing about her return has been credible or truthful storytelling and I believe they should make her fall in love and move away quietly and move on. You are quite right that it may not happen, but for me as a longtime viewer she is one of the weakest points in the show because every-time she appears it jars with me and I don't believe in the character or those around her. |
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'Nip it in the bud' when ratings are slightly higher from this time last year? Or despite how it's building to a much talked about exit for R&R? Or despite how some critics have praised the new direction (Sharon Marshall, Nitin Ganatra, Duncan Lindsey, Daniel Kilkelly)?
"Delibaretly out to ruin it"? Good grief, there's some very odd behavior on here lately. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It amazes me when people try to shut down discussion on a forum?
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That's as may be, but you also do exactly the same thing. The only difference is your point of view. You constantly defend EE, whereas some of us like a good old moan.
![]() That's not true in the slightest . Multiple threads about the same subject are boring and spam the forum regardless of whether they are critical or praising a show in my view. |
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That's not true in the slightest .
Multiple threads about the same subject are boring and spam the forum regardless of whether they are critical or praising a show in my view. On many occasions there have been similar threads on aspects of EastEnders... look at the threads following major event episodes like the 30th week. |
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Well hold on - calling it spam is a different thing entirely. There is no-one in this thread spamming at all, there are clearly multiple issues at the moment, regardless of what your viewpoint is and it seems there are elements people want to discuss after each episode. Spamming is entirely different and it's dismissive of other people to suggest that it is spamming because you don't share an opinion.
On many occasions there have been similar threads on aspects of EastEnders... look at the threads following major event episodes like the 30th week. The amount of threads during live week was ridiculous too. You can't debate well when there's multiple threads in any case. I wasn't saying anyone's opinion was spamming either. I'm talking specifically about multiple threads |
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That's not true in the slightest .
Multiple threads about the same subject are boring and spam the forum regardless of whether they are critical or praising a show in my view. I couldn't care less how many threads there are on the same subject. I just pick and choose what to open. What does bug me though is moaning about other posters (not meaning you) This place is to talk about soaps, not other people's posting habits. It has come to a point now where I think twice before posting. The wrath of the 'unofficial moderators' just isn't worth it. |
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[quote=Ste_Murray1;84726017]I have just said exactly the same to my mum that was the worst soap episode ever! I'd rather have Lorraine Newman and that is saying something.
Was I the only one to notice the scene with Ron n jack calling each other 'shark' etc came on again but in a different room...same speech tho I have enjoyed Corrie more and that also is saying something as I can not stand Corrie usually. |
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I disagree.
I couldn't care less how many threads there are on the same subject. I just pick and choose what to open. What does bug me though is moaning about other posters (not meaning you) This place is to talk about soaps, not other people's posting habits. It has come to a point now where I think twice before posting. The wrath of the 'unofficial moderators' just isn't worth it. I was just pointing out that LHolmes has often been very critical of the show and not in fact always positive. |
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Bib I take your point completely Jimmy. I'm in complete agreement. Whether it's positive or negative everyone has the right to speak. I just think too many threads on one topic dilutes debate somewhat
I was just pointing out that LHolmes has often been very critical of the show and not in fact always positive. ![]() I may have missed some of her posts. I am sorry LHolmes.
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That's not true at all. I've been quite critical of EE at times on this forum like the writing for Phil and Sharon.
I disliked most of the second half of DTC's tenure as EP. |
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Didnt watch tonight. Any improvements?
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Didnt watch tonight. Any improvements?
![]() There was a panto scene with Geraldine but I found it funny
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I disagree.
I couldn't care less how many threads there are on the same subject. I just pick and choose what to open. What does bug me though is moaning about other posters (not meaning you) This place is to talk about soaps, not other people's posting habits. It has come to a point now where I think twice before posting. The wrath of the 'unofficial moderators' just isn't worth it. |
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God I am so very sick of these threads.
I am enjoying it - I would much rather see low key realistic drama than watch the Philth beat up the entire Russian military with one hand tied behind his back. Perhaps I am odd. |
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God I am so very sick of these threads.
I am enjoying it - I would much rather see low key realistic drama than watch the Philth beat up the entire Russian military with one hand tied behind his back. Perhaps I am odd. The problem to me at the moment is not that there is low-key drama it's that the dialogue is poor, many characters have suddenly done a complete u-turn and the tone of the show has been reset. The production values are not where they ought to be either. |
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Very Newman-esque
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I agree, the tone of some is like a back seat moderator, if you don't like some aspect of the show, you get criticised and denounced for it, kind of vetoes the point of debate and discussion if you can't have a varied degree of posts positive or negative.
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God I am so very sick of these threads.
I am enjoying it - I would much rather see low key realistic drama than watch the Philth beat up the entire Russian military with one hand tied behind his back. Perhaps I am odd. BIB You're definitely odd, I'm a complete oddball and wouldn't like you if you weren't
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I don't think expressing a dislike for multiple threads all made in a short timeframe on the same subject/along the same basis counts as criticising someone for their opinion.
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I never thought the once mighty EE would be reduced to plots about bins and driving lessons, the actors deserve bettet than this tosh.
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I never thought the once mighty EE would be reduced to plots about bins and driving lessons, the actors deserve bettet than this tosh.
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I didn't mention multiple threads , I'm talking about a few who keep dismissing others views because it doesn't agree with theirs.
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I never thought the once mighty EE would be reduced to plots about bins and driving lessons, the actors deserve bettet than this tosh.
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