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Networks Cancelling shows mid season is the HEIGHT of disrespect
Is there any point in the US putting out television shows?
Giving a series less that 3 seasons to prove itself and bed down a fanbase is ludicrous. Cancelling mid season because people aren't happy with viewing figures. Ludicrous. It's the height of disrespect to actors, writers, crew and more importantly the fans. How do you expect them to engage with a series if you're their ready to pull the plug at any time. There is literally no point in watching US shows. It's now become a joke |
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But why should they continue to waste money on something that isn't doing well. Are you telling me that as a television network, you are going to continue to put money into something that isn't actually giving you anything back in return.
Plus this is how it has always been. People who go into this business know this. It isn't disrespectful. |
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But why should they continue to waste money on something that isn't doing well. Are you telling me that as a television network, you are going to continue to put money into something that isn't actually giving you anything back in return.
Plus this is how it has always been. People who go into this business know this. It isn't disrespectful. It works in the UK fine Networks here wouldn't dream of cutting a show mid season. They would give it a season or two and then decide to cancel. And even then they would have the curtesy to wrap it up for the audience. Pulling the plug without thought for the people involved and the audience it's despicable. It's why US TV is suffering so badly. No one is willing to invest in something they know will be taken away from them |
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It works in the UK fine Networks here wouldn't dream of cutting a show mid season. They would give it a season or two and then decide to cancel. And even then they would have the curtesy to wrap it up for the audience. Pulling the plug without thought for the people involved and the audience it's despicable. It's why US TV is suffering so badly. No one is willing to invest in something they know will be taken away from them and because of that i am not wasting my time with someone who isn't willing to have a polite and adult conversation without listening to different sides and dismissing other people's posts. |
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and because of that i am not wasting my time with someone who isn't willing to have a polite and adult conversation without listening to different sides and dismissing other people's posts. I wasn't actually calling you crazy I'm willing to debate. But so far you've offered me nothing that suggests otherwise I cannot agree with your point |
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Welcome to the real world.
We do not live in a world of unicorns and rainbows, USTV is a phenomally cut throat business, and if something is not doing well a network will get rid of it, for any number of reasons. And please do not be so delusional (sorry) as to think what a small number of viewers think actually matter. If the advertisers aren't happy then it gets cut off at the knees. You may think is disrespectful to those working in the industry, these people work in that industry and know for every Law and Order, Greys Anatomy or NCIS, there are literally dozens like Forever, Conviction, Notorious and countless others, mostly these people know it comes the territory and move on, if they can't they stop working in the industry. The big question I am asking myself is which show is the OP do in love with that they feel the need to start this thread? And try and pass off their temper tantrum as some sort of show of solidarity with those put upon workers. Big Hayley Attwell fan? Well she is two for two now in the didn't make it to season 3 column. |
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Not sure what how U.K works has to do with anything.
They are two very different countries. The system works very well, Yes its a shame when a show we like gets pulled mid-season but its a very demanding market and always has been |
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Welcome to the real world.
We do not live in a world of unicorns and rainbows, USTV is a phenomally cut throat business, and if something is not doing well a network will get rid of it, for any number of reasons. And please do not be so delusional (sorry) as to think what a small number of viewers think actually matter. If the advertisers aren't happy then it gets cut off at the knees. You may think is disrespectful to those working in the industry, these people work in that industry and know for every Law and Order, Greys Anatomy or NCIS, there are literally dozens like Forever, Conviction, Notorious and countless others, mostly these people know it comes the territory and move on, if they can't they stop working in the industry. The big question I am asking myself is which show is the OP do in love with that they feel the need to start this thread? And try and pass off their temper tantrum as some sort of show of solidarity with those put upon workers. Big Hayley Attwell fan? Well she is two for two now in the didn't make it to season 3 column. Just because 'thats the way it is' doesn't make it right Morally and ethically it is wrong. Big Business and corporation have destroyed every single corner of our society. Created income divides bigger than we've ever seen in human history TV, Film, theatre, the arts in general should be about creativity, the want and need to tell stories. Corporate interest should be nowhere near it. Its poisonous |
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Hi angry, aggressive much
Just because 'thats the way it is' doesn't make it right Morally and ethically it is wrong. Big Business and corporation have destroyed every single corner of our society. Created income divides bigger than we've ever seen in human history TV, Film, theatre, the arts in general should be about creativity, the want and need to tell stories. Corporate interest should be nowhere near it. Its poisonous Do you think they should go to work for the "love" of it. Be you the on screen talent or a runner etc its your job its how you pay your bills every month and as you are judged at work but how well you do so it has to be the same when making a TV show. |
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You're crazy
It works in the UK fine Networks here wouldn't dream of cutting a show mid season. They would give it a season or two and then decide to cancel. And even then they would have the curtesy to wrap it up for the audience. Pulling the plug without thought for the people involved and the audience it's despicable. It's why US TV is suffering so badly. No one is willing to invest in something they know will be taken away from them And as for the statement in bold, we're currently enjoying a golden age in US TV shows. Just look at how many TV shows are now regularly attracting movie stars. |
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The advertisers are the US networks customers, the viewers are the product being sold.
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Hi angry, aggressive much
Just because 'thats the way it is' doesn't make it right Morally and ethically it is wrong. Big Business and corporation have destroyed every single corner of our society. Created income divides bigger than we've ever seen in human history TV, Film, theatre, the arts in general should be about creativity, the want and need to tell stories. Corporate interest should be nowhere near it. Its poisonous I never said it was right, I never said it was morally correct. It's called being realistic, it's called not having your head in the clouds. It's called not being so epically naive as to think big corporations can act in an altruistic fashion. And your naivety is exposed again when you claim big business has destroyed every corner stone of our society, ignoring the benefits large corporations have done to improve society............ Hang on a mo, how did we get from Conviction being cancelled after 13 episodes to the breakdown of morality in society as a whole? If you want to talk about aggressive. How about the first being indicative of the second as an aggressive leap of logic. I think you want to ask yourself is the cancellation of any tv show in less than 3 seasons the biggest crime of large corporations. Honestly if you think that you need to look at your own priorities. |
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I suspect you’re looking for an argument, but I’ll just respond with a few points.. Quote:
It works in the UK fine
Networks here wouldn't dream of cutting a show mid season. Quote:
They would give it a season or two and then decide to cancel. And even then they would have the curtesy to wrap it up for the audience.
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Pulling the plug without thought for the people involved and the audience it's despicable.
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It works in the UK fine Networks here wouldn't dream of cutting a show mid season. They would give it a season or two and then decide to cancel. And even then they would have the curtesy to wrap it up for the audience. Pulling the plug without thought for the people involved and the audience it's despicable. It's why US TV is suffering so badly. No one is willing to invest in something they know will be taken away from them What i'd like to see from networks is if a show is cancelled then do one or two more episodes just to wrap things up, i now wait until a new show has been renewed or not left on a cliffhanger before i start to watch. |
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3 Seasons?!?!
I disagree with that huge length of time. 70% of TV shows are already scraping the barrel by 3 seasons. Frankly I think most shows go on too long. I do agree with allowing a show to survive and it should never be cancelled mid way through but frankly if it is still floundering after 2, it probably deserves the chop. |
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As has been pointed out US and UK is very different. UK are usually 6-8 episodes a season. The US is usually between 18-24 episodes a season. If we look at what has not officially been cancelled this season but lets face it is probably cancelled, its just the networks dont want to be the first to say something has been cancelled this year.
Conviction - 13 episodes - basically 2 season of uk tv Notorious - 10 episodes - basically 1.5 seasons of uk tv Pure Genius 13 episodes - basically 2 season of uk tv They have been given time. They have been performing badly in the demo's so the networks are basically not making money on them. In Pure Genius case, CBS said they were not ordering any more episodes a couple of weeks ago. Yet they are still filming epsiodes that they ordered originally, as filming does not wrap up till mid December. They could have very easily trimmed the order and saved some money. |
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It's why US TV is suffering so badly. No one is willing to invest in something they know will be taken away from them
The US is not UK TV, in the UK broadcasters commission 6 episodes in the US a series order is 22-24 episodes, typically ordered in batches of 9 In the upfronts the broadcasters promise the advertisers a certain level of audience and a certain demographic of that audience and sell the adverts based upon that. Thus if a show fails to deliver that promise the broadcasters have to actually refund the advertisers So when a show is not doing well not only is it costing them to make the show but it's actually costing them to put on the show. If a car manufacturer was making a car that cost them money to produce should they continue to make it even though no-one was interested Also don't forget in the US, the broadcasters do not own the many TV stations that are showing the show. When Channel 5 in Podunk claims to be NBC7 they really mean they have a licence to show 5 or 6 hours of NBC programming each day. These are Affiliated Stations as the Broadcaster doesn't own them So the local station owners get a cut of the advertising revenue that a show produces, so once again if the show fails to produce an audience the revenue the local station receives also drops. You soon get an Affiliate demanding the broadcaster take action So when a show fails to generate audience a lot of people start to lose money very quickly, so the broadcaster has to have a huge amount of faith in a show to keep running it when they're losing millions of $ every showing This is why there's rarely any wrap-up, plus as the broadcaster orders a run of about 9 episodes at a time, the scripts are the first thing done. To have a wrap-up episode requires them to order extra episodes of something they're losing money on |
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Shows I like being cancelled = Complete collapse of western civilisation.
That's some sense of entitlement. |
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Shows I like being cancelled = Complete collapse of western civilisation.
That's some sense of entitlement. Still reckon they're a Hayley Attwell fan. |
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Who says US TV is suffering? From announcing the new schedules in early May they typically have sold every advertising slot by the end of June
The US is not UK TV, in the UK broadcasters commission 6 episodes in the US a series order is 22-24 episodes, typically ordered in batches of 9 In the upfronts the broadcasters promise the advertisers a certain level of audience and a certain demographic of that audience and sell the adverts based upon that. Thus if a show fails to deliver that promise the broadcasters have to actually refund the advertisers So when a show is not doing well not only is it costing them to make the show but it's actually costing them to put on the show. If a car manufacturer was making a car that cost them money to produce should they continue to make it even though no-one was interested Also don't forget in the US, the broadcasters do not own the many TV stations that are showing the show. When Channel 5 in Podunk claims to be NBC7 they really mean they have a licence to show 5 or 6 hours of NBC programming each day. These are Affiliated Stations as the Broadcaster doesn't own them So the local station owners get a cut of the advertising revenue that a show produces, so once again if the show fails to produce an audience the revenue the local station receives also drops. You soon get an Affiliate demanding the broadcaster take action So when a show fails to generate audience a lot of people start to lose money very quickly, so the broadcaster has to have a huge amount of faith in a show to keep running it when they're losing millions of $ every showing This is why there's rarely any wrap-up, plus as the broadcaster orders a run of about 9 episodes at a time, the scripts are the first thing done. To have a wrap-up episode requires them to order extra episodes of something they're losing money on
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It's a figure of speech
I wasn't actually calling you crazy I'm willing to debate. But so far you've offered me nothing that suggests otherwise I cannot agree with your point |
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BIB The fades comes to mind was left on a cliffhanger and i'm sure there are more UK network shows that never wrappeed things up.
What i'd like to see from networks is if a show is cancelled then do one or two more episodes just to wrap things up, i now wait until a new show has been renewed or not left on a cliffhanger before i start to watch. Yes, Banished and Beowulf are two very recent examples of Britush TV series finishing a season with the story unresolved only to be cancelled. |
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Usually uk shows are all made before being shown where as US shows are made as they go.
That said, I am sure some uk shows doing badly in the ratings have been pulled mid series or shunted to a time around midnight. I can't think of any off the top of my head but I am sure it has happened. |
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Usually uk shows are all made before being shown where as US shows are made as they go.
That said, I am sure some uk shows doing badly in the ratings have been pulled mid series or shunted to a time around midnight. I can't think of any off the top of my head but I am sure it has happened. 1). Judgement Day (with Brian Conley) - 2003 - the ratings were so bad that the show was pulled from the schedule after only 2 episodes out of 6 had aired. The remain 4 episodes have never been aired. 2) Celebrity Wrestling - 2005 - rating were so poor, but so much money had been spent on production, that after episode 5 of 8 had aired on Saturday Prime the show went on hiatus for weeks before the final 3 episodes were aired in a graveyard Sunday Morning slot - and the ITV2 aftershow was cancelled after episode 5, ie they never got aired. |
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I can give you two examples, both from ITV in the mid 2000's:-
1). Judgement Day (with Brian Conley) - 2003 - the ratings were so bad that the show was pulled from the schedule after only 2 episodes out of 6 had aired. The remain 4 episodes have never been aired. 2) Celebrity Wrestling - 2005 - rating were so poor, but so much money had been spent on production, that after episode 5 of 8 had aired on Saturday Prime the show went on hiatus for weeks before the final 3 episodes were aired in a graveyard Sunday Morning slot - and the ITV2 aftershow was cancelled after episode 5, ie they never got aired. It was shown against the relaunched Doctor Who and never stood a chance in hell.
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