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Snoopers law creates security nightmare - given Royal Assent today
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mick r
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Iggyman:
“Indeed, and anyone who thinks that this new law is all about terrorism is wrong. Terrorism is just the crowbar that was used to get the Snooper's Charter into law. What it's really about is control, and Labour and Tory governments want ultimate control over the people.”

People don't understand the technology that is now available to governments of the world. We are soon going to be a wireless society in which the world will be one mass wireless grid. Everything and everyone with be connected to the internet , your homes and all appliances will be internet enabled .
paulschapman
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Nodger:
“You'll be told it will / has and is a marvellous success, but the (my) reality is that it won't (much).”

It is not just your reality

In 2004, the F.B.I. looked at a sampling of all the tips to see how many had made a “significant contribution” to identifying a terrorist, deporting a terrorism suspect, or developing a confidential informant about terrorists.

Just 1.2 percent of the tips from 2001 to 2004 had made such a contribution. Two years later, the F.B.I. reviewed all the leads from the warrantless wiretapping part of Stellarwind between August 2004 and January 2006. None had proved useful.


see https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...-nsa-fbi.shtml

and

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...port.html?_r=0

and enlightening quote from the FBI

"You are sending us garbage" ( Page 638 of the second link)
Nodger
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by mick r:
“People don't understand the technology that is now available to governments of the world. We are soon going to be a wireless society in which the world will be one mass wireless grid. Everything and everyone with be connected to the internet , your homes and all appliances will be internet enabled .”

Not in my house... I like cogs and gears

Seriously though, this (the nefarious aspect of your posts) will barely affect the savvy.
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by mick r:
“Everything and everyone with be connected to the internet , your homes and all appliances will be internet enabled .”

Do let me know when they are coming round to do it so I can be out.
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by OLD HIPPY GUY:
“The day we finally became a Big Brother state, how close did Orwell come to predicting the future?
When he wrote 1984 there were no computers or Internet, obviously, and TV was very much in it's infancy, but his concept of a future totalitarian government which could spy on every single citizen has very much become a reality today, and just as in his novel the down trodden herd don't even notice or care, after all Big Brother loves us and only wants what's best for us so what are you afraid of citizen?

The new Tory party motto,

War is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength.”

Sorry, but there are no points to be scored here for you today. This entire process was started with the EU's Data Retention Directive and Blair's OTT implementation of it. This is why Labour voted for it as well.

Both parties are full of utterly despicable authoritarian vermin, the epitome of which is that repugnant sell-out Chakrabarti.
Thor_Noggsson
29-11-2016
When you are looking for a needle in a haystack it's not a good idea to add more hay.
Yet here we have the powers that be doing just that.
Annsyre
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Vast_Girth:
“Absolutely pointless intrusion in peoples lives. Disgusting.

So very easy to get around. It will only catch the innocent and incompetent.”

Oh no, does that mean the government will find out that I order my knickers from Marks and Spencers.
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Clarisse76:
“Sorry, but there are no points to be scored here for you today. This entire process was started with the EU's Data Retention Directive and Blair's OTT implementation of it. This is why Labour voted for it as well.

Both parties are full of utterly despicable authoritarian vermin, the epitome of which is that repugnant sell-out Chakrabarti.”

Pretty up sums it up though afaik Labour abstained in the vote in an heroic gesture of defiance as in shrugs shoulders and mutters 'whatever'.
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Pretty up sums it up though afaik Labour abstained in the vote in an heroic gesture of defiance as in shrugs shoulders and mutters 'whatever'.”

The final commons vote was 444 to 69, so there wasn't that much abstaining going on...
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Clarisse76:
“The final commons vote was 444 to 69, so there wasn't that much abstaining going on...”

Doesn't look like it but then the snooping doesn't apply to them, I read Labour abstained from a BBC report.
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Oh no, does that mean the government will find out that I order my knickers from Marks and Spencers.”

This government could pass a law saying Eric Pickles was entitled to eat your first born and your only question would be to ask if he prefers mint or apple sauce.
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Oh no, does that mean the government will find out that I order my knickers from Marks and Spencers.”

Too late, they now know, still at least the source of the rest of your underwear is still secret well untill next year at least.
DW2
29-11-2016
How long before Rupert Murdock nicely asks for the names and addresses of everybody that watched Game of Thrones illegally online?
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Doesn't look like it but then the snooping doesn't apply to them, I read Labour abstained from a BBC report.”

They did initially, then that ineffectual tosspot Burnham won some half-arsed concessions so they all got their pom-poms out for their boy.
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Clarisse76:
“They did initially, then that ineffectual tosspot Burnham won some half-arsed concessions so they all got their pom-poms out for their boy.”

Were the said concessions that MPs were shielded from the snooping?
Betty Middling
29-11-2016
Absolutely awful and, on the off chance Theresa May might read this: You're a cuuuuuuuuuuuuunt.
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Were the said concessions that MPs were shielded from the snooping?”

One of them was that those in 'sensitive professions' are shielded and whilst I haven't checked, I've got a week's wage that says MP is one such profession...
mick r
29-11-2016
The Lib Dems didn't want this and blocked it when they were in government .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22292474
Nodger
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Betty Middling:
“Absolutely awful and, on the off chance Theresa May might read this: You're a cuuuuuuuuuuuuunt.”

If you wish to attract her attention, drop things like bomb, jihadist, KNO3 etc... into your post too (well, i've done it for you now. You (we) just have to wait for the knock on the door and orange fashion wear)
Iggyman
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Thor_Noggsson:
“When you are looking for a needle in a haystack it's not a good idea to add more hay.
Yet here we have the powers that be doing just that.”

Very nicely put. I like that.
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Clarisse76:
“One of them was that those in 'sensitive professions' are shielded and whilst I haven't checked, I've got a week's wage that says MP is one such profession...”

A quick google indicates journalists, lawyers and MPs are shielded.
Clarisse76
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“A quick google indicates journalists, lawyers and MPs are shielded.”

Well, fan my brow!
jmclaugh
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Clarisse76:
“Well, fan my brow!”

Indeed, I mean none of them ever get up to anything illegal.
Mr Oleo Strut
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by OLD HIPPY GUY:
“The day we finally became a Big Brother state, how close did Orwell come to predicting the future?
When he wrote 1984 there were no computers or Internet, obviously, and TV was very much in it's infancy, but his concept of a future totalitarian government which could spy on every single citizen has very much become a reality today, and just as in his novel the down trodden herd don't even notice or care, after all Big Brother loves us and only wants what's best for us so what are you afraid of citizen?

The new Tory party motto,

War is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength.”

Oh, dear. They feed us swill and take all the bacon for themselves. Animal Farm was also spot on. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
Mark_Jones9
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Thor_Noggsson:
“When you are looking for a needle in a haystack it's not a good idea to add more hay.
Yet here we have the powers that be doing just that.”

When one needle is seen poking someone in the eye its nice to have the thread to follow to the other needles. From terrorist cells to paedophile rings to criminal conspirators, finding out who the associates are of any you catch helps identify suspects and prove links and communications.

While for crimes committed via the internet having a thread to follow helps in identification of the criminals.
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