Originally Posted by bollywood:
“No I'm not trying to do anything. I'm looking at the evidence that's there.
Yes credible atheist scholars accept that Jesus existed. You'll only find atheists with an agenda who say otherwise. Were it anyone but Jesus, they would accept it.
You're entitled to hold a conspiracy theory if you want, and I'm not going to talk you out of it.”
bolly... you are brainwashed, you are not listening to the facts.
the facts are (yet again) that there is no contemporary evidence for jesus existence in any form. you keep hiding behind scholars, "they think this so it must be true" really isnt an argument.
all 'evidence' comes from a biased, tainted, therefore unreliable source. i have no idea why all these people you claim believe he existed and yet again you duck the point about which version of jesus do they think existed.
YOU believers are the ones with the agenda, making very weak excuses, dodging the big questions, ignoring the known facts, in order to prop up your beliefs.
my agenda is wanting to know the truth.... the reality... the only way to discover that is by examining all the unbiased evidence. and there is non.
Originally Posted by bollywood:
“It's not at all like King Arthur and no credible scholar thinks that.”
historians though do accept the figure might be based upon a celtic warlord/tribal leader fighting against the incoming saxon invaders.... they do not believe the story with all the magic, but the possibility of such a character existing.
liken that to the jesus myth and it makes sense.... as ive said, 'jesus' might well be based upon a minor preacher and that would explain the lack of contemporary evidence exactly as it does for arthur. but theres NO evidence for the magical arthur, anmd theres NO evidence for the magical jesus.
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“Well, we've got coins featuring Alfred minted in his reign.
We have the beautiful Alfred Jewel.
We have documents of the time written about Alfred (e.g. Anglo-Saxon Chronicle)
Still plenty of myths/legend surrounding him, but we do have some solid evidence relating to his life, his reign and his family.
For Jesus, we do not. Unsurprisingly, as Jesus was a nobody in life and Alfred was a King.”
exactly.... alfred existed, we know that, we even believe that his bones have been discovered from an unmarked grave... science will prove or disprove this.