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Old Yesterday, 12:13
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That's fine, your opinion.

But I prefer the conclusions of scholars who spent many years, months, days and hours on the research.
Researching nothing but highly speculative documents with limited historical value. And NO contemporary sources.

They might as well have been researching the historical Jesus in a storage facility in Hull for all the worth it has for historians.
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Old Yesterday, 12:19
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Researching nothing but highly speculative documents with limited historical value. And NO contemporary sources.

They might as well have been researching the historical Jesus in a storage facility in Hull for all the worth it has for historians.
They research what they have when they don't have contemporary accounts. If you denigrate historical documents like that, I doubt you could have confidence in anything historical.

Just as historians would reconstruct an event in our era, were photos and written documents lost.

This Jesus didn't exist stuff is just new age atheism. Like astrology for atheists.
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Old Yesterday, 12:26
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Like astrology for atheists.
Or faith healing for idiots?
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Old Yesterday, 12:31
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Mushy, Unitarians are an example of a group that emerged through Christian theology, yet don't accept the Trinity.

You are mistaken that Christianity falls apart if Jesus was a human. Albeit no ordinary human.
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Old Yesterday, 12:56
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You are mistaken that Christianity falls apart if Jesus was a human. Albeit no ordinary human.
Who has claimed that?
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Who has claimed that?
Can you do me a favor and read through the thread.
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Can you do me a favor and read through the thread.
Are you American? Only ask because of the way you spell 'favour'.

But no, I'm not going to bother. Because you were responding to pretty recent posts when you said 'you are mistaken'.
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Are you American? Only ask because of the way you spell 'favour'.

But no, I'm not going to bother. Because you were responding to pretty recent posts when you said 'you are mistaken'.
Yes I was. Did you see the name mushy in my post.
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Now that's not evidence of non-existence. But it's not enough for a historian.
but if he didnt exist...there would be nothing, so id suggest whilst it isnt 'evidence' , its a strong pointer, an indication, that there was no jesus.

My mind isn't closed. It can expand to a perspective beyond the incessant atheist quibbling about the physical Bible.

Something that never fails to amaze me how much time some spend on something they don't believe in and don't understand.
what are you on about now?... i understand it all very well thank you. but when someone in a debate starts on personal attacks you know they have lost the argument!.

I guess you think that in other religions, reincarnation of the evolved can only occur in the aristocrats. Nothing could be further from the truth. Why it's not strange at all that Jesus was a peasant.

You further confuse what Jesus said with organized religions. Two different things aren't they.
wtf are you on about?.. my point is that there is no contemporary evidence that jesus existed and all 'evidence' there is comes from later, biased sources therefore its entirely possible that jesus didnt exist, or that he was an embellishment of a real, but ordinary person.


Mushy's idea that if Jesus was the Son of Man it negates Christianity, is wrong.

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lol... how is it?.... how can christianity be right, how can it work? how can it be the truth? IF the bible is anything less then 100% accurate?...

if jesus as the bible describes didnt exist, in any form less then how the bible describes, the whole religion is constructed on a lie! it falls down... hell the bible itself tells you to build a building on firm foundations...

its far more likely that the whole religion is a man made construction and a mass delusion where humans have convinced themselves of something that simply does not add up. this of course applies to every religion, all of which claim to be 'the' religion of truth, all claim other religions are false..

you say your mind is open when it clearly isnt. you yourself said you wont change your mind, so it is closed.
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but if he didnt exist...there would be nothing, so id suggest whilst it isnt 'evidence' , its a strong pointer, an indication, that there was no jesus.


what are you on about now?... i understand it all very well thank you. but when someone in a debate starts on personal attacks you know they have lost the argument!.



wtf are you on about?.. my point is that there is no contemporary evidence that jesus existed and all 'evidence' there is comes from later, biased sources therefore its entirely possible that jesus didnt exist, or that he was an embellishment of a real, but ordinary person.



lol... how is it?.... how can christianity be right, how can it work? how can it be the truth? IF the bible is anything less then 100% accurate?...

if jesus as the bible describes didnt exist, in any form less then how the bible describes, the whole religion is constructed on a lie! it falls down... hell the bible itself tells you to build a building on firm foundations...

its far more likely that the whole religion is a man made construction and a mass delusion where humans have convinced themselves of something that simply does not add up. this of course applies to every religion, all of which claim to be 'the' religion of truth, all claim other religions are false..

you say your mind is open when it clearly isnt. you yourself said you wont change your mind, so it is closed.
It's not personal to say that some atheists spend a lot of time insisting that the Bible should be 100% accurate. Or that historians have to agree on one version of Jesus. Neither of which is the case.

It's not a 50/50 argument that Jesus existed or didn't. More like 99:1. There are massive secondary sources. Paul met Peter, Jesus closest disciple.

If you say he didn't exist, then you need to point out why the secondary evidence is wrong. Repeating that there isn't contemporary evidence, isn't refuting all the secondary evidence.

There are Christians who don't believe in the Trinity. You're mistaken that Christianity falls apart if Jesus wasn't God.
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My mind isn't closed. It can expand to a perspective beyond the incessant atheist quibbling about the physical Bible.

Something that never fails to amaze me how much time some spend on something they don't believe in and don't understand.

I guess you think that in other religions, reincarnation of the evolved can only occur in the aristocrats. Nothing could be further from the truth. Why it's not strange at all that Jesus was a peasant.

You further confuse what Jesus said with organized religions. Two different things aren't they.
To be fair you spend quite a lot of time posting about atheism and evolution by natural selection.
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Paul met Peter, Jesus closest disciple. .
Yes, but they disliked each other. James was the leader of the movement (the brother of Jesus) and seriously admonished Paul for what he was teaching.

Indeed, the only thing we can really gleam from Acts is that the original followers of a man called Jesus (Yeshua which was probably the most popular name in Judea at the time) did NOT believe the same things Paul was promoting.

And I'm sure you are aware that there is a theory that Jesus of Nazareth and Barrabas who was 'let off' by Pilot (whose first name was also Jesus) are one and the same.

(Bar Abbas means 'son of the father').
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Yes, but they disliked each other. James was the leader of the movement (the brother of Jesus) and seriously admonished Paul for what he was teaching.

Indeed, the only thing we can really gleam from Acts is that the original followers of a man called Jesus (Yeshua which was probably the most popular name in Judea at the time) did NOT believe the same things Paul was promoting.

And I'm sure you are aware that there is a theory that Jesus of Nazareth and Barrabas who was 'let off' by Pilot (whose first name was also Jesus) are one and the same.

(Bar Abbas means 'son of the father').
Link please. Sounds dodgy.. Paul persecuted Christians before his conversion. That's not news.
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Unread Today, 18:27
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What Peter really said about Paul:

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you."

2 Peter 3:15
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