Emmerdale: Pete & Moira's relationship?

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cyrilandshirley

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I agree. Her head' s all over the place just now. He's fancied her for ages, he' d be in there like a rat up a drainpipe”

Ewwwwwwwwww.

Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“Eh? They've both lost a loved one in tragic and mysterious circumstancess. Many people in real life, like Pete, often wake up to news from the police that their child or parent is dead - it doesn't make it any less painful than someone who has found a loved one dead. Her loss isn't any greater or any more traumatic than his. I'm not sure what you mean by "it's not the same" but okay...

Obviously discovering your daughter dead in bed is horrible, but you can't say: "Well It's not the same because Moira found her daughter dead in bed and Pete didn't."

At least Moira knows how her daughter died so she can find some closure, Pete and his brothers have no real clue what happened to James despite their mother's lies. If anything, Pete has more reason to be messed up about James's death than Moira about Holly's death.

Loss is loss. Grief is grief. It's hard on everyone involved. You can't quantify it. ”

Kell-Free has answered this for me, see below.

Losing a parent is terrible, but it's part of life - even when it's in some bizarro violent soap plot. Losing a child is beyond pain.

There's not much point arguing out degrees of grief though, if you don't agree. But that's the story they're telling - Moira has been knocked completely off course by the death of her daughter. Pete, on the other hand, has adjusted quite well and carried on. He's not off his head with grief. But he still took advantage of her when she was.

Originally Posted by Kell_Free:
“I think what Cyril was implying is that Moira's grief would've been a lot different to Pete because she lost a child. Pete is obviously devastated at his dad's death, but losing your own child is a different kind of pain altogether.”

Yes, thanks!

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“ps - on a sidenote
Other than Cain - every guy Moira has shagged has ended up dead - are Pete's days numbered ”

Blimey, hadn't thought of that. I hope so.

Chiltons Cane

23-12-2016

OK i'm confused did they just kiss or sleep together? We never saw them do anything other than kiss but last night i swear she said they had slept together. Did i blink and miss that??

julie2009

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by lotty27:
“I don't like this twist but to me it isn't that out of character they've created.

When Moira and John first arrived it was made out that they were a very happy couple who had been true to each other throughout their relationship so when she started a fling with Cain because John wasn't giving her attention (as he was trying to build up their business) I was foaming but that unfortunately seems to be the route they've gone down with her.

We later found out that another time when her and John were having troubles early in their relationship she shagged her husband's brother James and Adam was the result! Guess who got most of the shit for it? *roll eyes*

She had a fling with Cain, broke her husband's heart and he tragically died when they were trying to repair their relationship. Moira was distraught and yup! She ended up having a fling with Alex Moss who worked on her farm but who hid from her the fact that he was in a relationship with Victoria. Guess who Victoria blamed? *roll eyes*

Since then there's been random shag(s) with James and now she's done a hat trick and shagged James's son/her late husband's nephew Pete! Way to go Moira! Just Ross and Finn to go *roll eyes*

Moira gets traumatised/upset, sooner or later she'll shag someone. If they were single and not a relative it would be OK but the fact that sometimes they're attached and often relatives (in-laws but still relatives) it's all a bit grimy.”

Loved your post. It brightened up my day. Can't see Moira and Finn together but sure you never know. Nearly died when Moira said they had slept together. I just thought it was another kiss. Wait until Ross finds out

T.K. Mazin

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Ewwwwwwwwww.

Kell-Free has answered this for me, see below.

Losing a parent is terrible, but it's part of life - even when it's in some bizarro violent soap plot. Losing a child is beyond pain.

There's not much point arguing out degrees of grief though, if you don't agree. But that's the story they're telling - Moira has been knocked completely off course by the death of her daughter. Pete, on the other hand, has adjusted quite well and carried on. He's not off his head with grief. But he still took advantage of her when she was.
”

True, we'll be going around in circles then.

I respect what you're saying, Cyril. Hope I didn't come across like some know-it-all or anything.

I still don't agree with the BIB2 as I explained in my previous posts and I don't feel like we're meant to believe Moira is being exploited here based on what we're seeing onscreen and Moira's previous self-destructive flings/romances as Lotty explained in her post (if it is, then they're not doing a good job of it IMO), but fair enough. You're entitled to that view.

Glendarroch

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“I agree, most people would likely choose to lose a parent over a child if they had to pick. Children will always come first (in the eyes of both parents and grandparents) and are seen as more of a priority regardless of potential grief.

In the end, both scenarios are tragic and doesn't bear thinking aibout. I certainly wouldn't presume to think my grief is worse than anyone else's, though.”

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Glendarroch

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“I agree, most people would likely choose to lose a parent over a child if they had to pick. Children will always come first (in the eyes of both parents and grandparents) and are seen as more of a priority regardless of potential grief.

In the end, both scenarios are tragic and doesn't bear thinking about. I certainly wouldn't presume to think my grief is worse than anyone else's, though.”

I don' t think anyone's s doing that - certainly not Moira. We're just saying that she might be finding it harder to think straight than him. She' s clearly pole axedd. He's s coping much better, at least he appears to be.

T.K. Mazin

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I don' t think anyone's s doing that - certainly not Moira. We're just saying that she might be finding it harder to think straight than him. She' s clearly pole axedd. He's s coping much better, at least he appears to be.”

I know, but, essentially the original point I was making was Pete is suffering too (we can agree to disagree on the extent of the suffering/grief) and therefore also vulnerable.

Anyway, it's been clarified to me. I get where Cyril was/is coming from.

I think we can all agree that it's just a icky relationship and needs to stop.

To be honest, I'm more interested to see how Ross reacts when he finds out.

Glendarroch

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“I know, but, essentially the original point I was making was Pete is suffering too (we can agree to disagree on the extent of the suffering/grief) and therefore also vulnerable.

Anyway, it's been clarified to me. I get where Cyril was/is coming from.

I think we can all agree that it's just a icky relationship and needs to stop.
To be honest, I'm more interested to see how Ross reacts when he finds out. ”

Last night as Pete was deciding that someone could risk prison ( as would happen with Cain's record if they decided it was a criminal matter, not an accident) just so he could keep his new shiny girlfriend and not have any bother, even I was rooting for Dross to batter him

Oldnjaded

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“I know, but, essentially the original point I was making was Pete is suffering too (we can agree to disagree on the extent of the suffering/grief) and therefore also vulnerable.

Anyway, it's been clarified to me. I get where Cyril was/is coming from.

I think we can all agree that it's just a icky relationship and needs to stop.
To be honest, I'm more interested to see how Ross reacts when he finds out. ”

That's easy. He'll be fewmin' that Pete pulled the hottest woman in the village while he was busy strolling round the foothills of the Himalayas and take urgent steps to equal the score.

Glendarroch

23-12-2016

Forget Dross though! How will LEYLA react? She' s scary!

bornfree

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“This is lazy writing of all the ways a person may go off the rails when grieving to make it she sleeps with her nephew is just lazy and headline grabbing. The drinking isn't exactly clever writing either.”

I agree. Here is a strong woman who can handle any crisis. I don't know anyone who can see their daughter doing cold turkey. She even went and scored drugs for her. She is the only woman on ED who can stand up to bullying Cain. Ofcourse she feels very sad and her head is all over the place. But here IMO is a woman who rides through anything that is thrown at her. Why are the script writers so lazy. I don't recall Moira turning to drink when Holly relapsed.

Andybear

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I agree. Here is a strong woman who can handle any crisis. I don't know anyone who can see their daughter doing cold turkey. She even went and scored drugs for her. She is the only woman on ED who can stand up to bullying Cain. Ofcourse she feels very sad and her head is all over the place. But here IMO is a woman who rides through anything that is thrown at her. Why are the script writers so lazy. I don't recall Moira turning to drink when Holly relapsed.”

Holly was still alive though, there was always that tiny bit of hope for Moira. Now she's dead and all hope is gone. Nothing you've mentioned compares to the death of a child, the strongest person would be in bits. So I don't think the scriptwriters are lazy at all - in fact I think it's very realistic. People can only take so much and something will send them over the edge - speaking from experience here. (Not through the death of a child but other stuff).

Janet Plank

23-12-2016

If Moira and Pete have a baby, whar relationship will it be to Adam and Hannah?

Jessica_Bobbing

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by Janet Plank:
“If Moira and Pete have a baby, whar relationship will it be to Adam and Hannah?”

The baby would be Hannah's half sibling and cousin, whereas it would be Adam's sibling and niece/nephew.

Lennie

23-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jessica_Bobbing:
“The baby would be Hannah's half sibling and cousin, whereas it would be Adam's sibling and niece/nephew.”

Seems like i'm watching a US soap, they are all connected somehow lol

Janet Plank

23-12-2016

Thankyou, Jessica and Lennie. I am reminded of the old music hall song 'I'm my own grandpa'.

eveningstar

23-12-2016

Oh lor, now she's presumably doing the deed with Cain too, please tell me it's not going to be yet another who's the daddy story

LHolmes

23-12-2016

It's an icky storyline that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. The writers have really trashed Moira. She's unrecognisable to the character she was between 2009-2012.

SteveOwen

24-12-2016

Originally Posted by eveningstar:
“Oh lor, now she's presumably doing the deed with Cain too, please tell me it's not going to be yet another who's the daddy story ”

Wouldn't be at all surprised. Sigh... The advances in prenatal paternity testing should have rendered the vast majority of these WTD? storylines redundant, yet here we are in 2016, still forced to sit through them year, after year, after year.

molliepops

24-12-2016

Originally Posted by Andybear:
“Holly was still alive though, there was always that tiny bit of hope for Moira. Now she's dead and all hope is gone. Nothing you've mentioned compares to the death of a child, the strongest person would be in bits. So I don't think the scriptwriters are lazy at all - in fact I think it's very realistic. People can only take so much and something will send them over the edge - speaking from experience here. (Not through the death of a child but other stuff).”

I agree it's sent her over the edge but drinking and sleeping with her nephew just seem so lazy, there are many ways the story could have gone that wouldn't have people going eww or saying how boring the drinking is becoming. Might have taken a bit more thought but could have been better for Emmy.

PDS1985

25-12-2016

It's not the first time in Emmerdale where a family member has slept with another member of their family either.

Cain has slept with Charity
Marlon has slept with Charity
Eli has slept with Debbie

These three are far worse than what Moira has done with Pete seeing as Moira and Pete are not blood-related but it's still a terrible storyline though.

Janet Plank

25-12-2016

Moira has had sex with her brother=in=law, James, and his son, her nephew Pete. Will Ross be next on her list?

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