But when you say she gets called out, do you mean by the scriptwriters - which I agree with by the way - or on DS, where it seems to me that she just gets about as much criticism as other characters?

I sort of agree though the kiss with Pete could just be down to a mutual grieving. Both of them are in a bad place and mourning the same man.
I think it will be relevant to note who initiates the kisses. Last time it was Pete. I assume this time it will be Pete as well.


I kind of think, for some of them, that is actually in character. Most of her friends, aside from the momentary "so sorry for your losses", are all far too interested in their own problems and aren't going to go out of their way to console her or make sure she is okay.
Diane might, but she has been far too busy making rubbish signs and protesting at Home Farm.


Definitely the characters, she is always called out by them despite their own behaviour.
I think even when Moira's actions aren't so easily forgiven I always feel sympathetic towards her, I think it's down to the actresses portrayal, who always manages to keep Moira grounded even when her behaviour is sort of "out there"

But Moira is not only mourning James but also Holly. Grief following losing a child bears no relation to that of mourning even a husband.

She will be bound to do strange things and I just wish she and Cain would get back together - she is also mourning this loss.

I think there's s something very strange about the way Pete regards Moira Yes, he is grieving but he's s fancied her for a long time ago. I wouldn't t mind betting that he more or less takes,advantage of her emotional state l hope Leyla ditches him fast!

BIB---When was that established? It's very clear that John and James did not get on so Moira would not have been a presence in Pete, Ross and Finn's lives- maybe very fleeting at the start before John and James fell out but I would not count any interaction between Moira and Pete then as her being a Mother figure to him.

Unless i have forgotten something?

No, from what I can remember both families were estranged. Hence why they'd never been mentioned before.

I don't think there's anything to suggest that Moira was a mother figure at any point.

I thought (perhaps mis-remembering!) that until James and "the boys" came to Emmerdale that Moira and John had not had much to do with them? I am sure someone will remember better than me

Moira's not grieving zJames - well she will be a bit, but really it's s Holly.

I find Moira very hard going. Natalie Robb is great in the part, and I wouldn't t put anyone through losing a child, but I can' t quite warm to the character. I think she's s almost too perfect - running her successful business, super capable no matter the circumstances,great Mum,perfect housewife! Yeah ok, maybe I'm a bit jealous, but along with that she can be quite superior when dealing with other people. She's s very strident about her own rightness - it' s her way or the high way. In reality I think I would respect and like her but not be friends. She swamps insecure people like me, it would be too much hard work

Maybe the other villagers feel like that and that's s why they turn on her They' re jealous and insecure
As to her friends, they can't t watch her 24/7 but I do think it's s strange that Chas has never offered to have a drink with her, or Diane's s not just popped around. Diane's s quite motherly to her. Of course we could assume these things are happening off screen

She wasn't t a mother figure. She was an aunt figure. They had been closer when the children were small, before Adam was conceived.

Only going by my own experience of course - I rarely saw any of my aunts and uncles growing up but I can safely say that they are firmly in the cupboard marked off limits, even the ' by marriage' or ' friends if the family's ones. Although to be fair, they are all at least thirty years older than me Still even without that it would be a no-no .

She was a maternal figure to Pete. They call her Aunty Moira. Aunt or mother figure is simply a matter of semantics here.

Given she slept with James who was adumbs real dad she would have known Pete as a child.

It's completely inappropriate.

Frankie Baldwin wasn't related to her stepson Jamie by blood in Coronation Street, that didn't make their affair any less icky.

Yes, Moira's lot and the retconned Bartons were estranged for many years but Moira would've known Pete and behaved like an auntie to him as a small child before that.

Yep, this is why it's so gross. They don't have to be blood related for it to be seriously icky.

I was assuming it was meant to be icky, actually. That they want the audience to be going, ew, this is wrong.

" What happened to little boy who used to nag John for a go on his tractor"

Remember when Moira said that to Ross? She must also have a memory of Pete as a kid, its very weird.

Cain will be fuming, it may be Petes turn at the quarry.

No one's been down the quarry for ages.

To be honest I don't think they've planned at all beyond splitting Cain and Moira up. They've no idea what to do with her which is a shame as Natalie is a wonderful actress.

I think they will eventually get back together. Pete/Moira is probably just a plot tool for the Emma vs Moira storyline to gather some pace.

Was Pete the last one to fall in? or was it Ross?

Pete drove himself in. Ross got dangled in a van. I think.

Might be time for Pete to be dangled. Or even dunked.

Mind you, I think Cain found out last time Pete went in for an incestuous snog. Surprised he didn't kill him then, really.

Oh yeah, thats when Pete smashed Ross' window to get locked up and avoid a kidnap from Cain.

I don't agree that Moira isn't in some way also grieving for James. He was her confidant and one of her closest friends.

Moira is normally the strong one who can take just about anything that is thrown at her and it's quite interesting to see that even she has a melting point

She is being thrown together with Pete because she is supposed to be on her own and lonely. The writers have conveniently forgotten that she has friends

Yes, she is grieving for him but it's s more about Holly, surely? That's s what I meant. She' ll miss James but Holly was her child, that would over ride everything surely?

Her friends not being involved is a pure plot device to isolate her, so only Cain see what's s going on with Emma,IMO, and this deliberately sensationalised incident with Pete is part of that, I' d get.

Yep - removing Chas, Vanessa et al from Moira's current sphere of friends is such a blatant plot device to facilitate the plot they want to play out.

Same as when all of Aaron's satelite characters / friends got removed from the storyline so they could have Robert step up & be his saviour.

Oh god, that was so wierd, I forgot that! Those episodes were just total tripe, it didn't make a lick of sense.

And the current story-lines (apart from Ashley) do?