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Old 05-12-2016, 09:43
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If she's getting it on with someone with no thought to their girlfriend's feelings, and this person happens to be her son's brother, then she deserves to be shamed to Mars and back.

And so should Pete.
The sexist words always come out though, when it's a woman who is being insulted. She doesn't deserve to be called a slut, as does no woman. Call her selfish, idiotic, stupid, pathetic, whatever. Why the sexist words though?
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Old 05-12-2016, 09:48
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I was just thinking of the sexism claims, what would be said if a male character went with a mother and daughter ? I don't think anyone was calling Ross names but that's essentially what he did. Now Moira with a father a son will be called all sorts.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:21
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I was just thinking of the sexism claims, what would be said if a male character went with a mother and daughter ? I don't think anyone was calling Ross names but that's essentially what he did. Now Moira with a father a son will be called all sorts.
Ross/charity/Debbie was a terrible idea on the scriptwriters parts and yes he deserves criticism on that front.

However I just find the idea of Aunty Moira and Pete inappropriate in the sense that she knew him as a child.

Ross did not have that kind of a relationship with charity so that's why it's slightly different for me

Moira shouldn't be referred to a a slapper or a slut at all though. That's wrong and sexist. However I find the idea of her and Pete weird for the reasons I've given above.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:25
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And the current story-lines (apart from Ashley) do?
Good point. But not all episodes leave me with my mouth open, going, what the actual heck was that and did I dream it. That one did.

I was just thinking of the sexism claims, what would be said if a male character went with a mother and daughter ? I don't think anyone was calling Ross names but that's essentially what he did. Now Moira with a father a son will be called all sorts.
Plenty of people have called Ross all sorts - he's a proper man whore. The point still stands - men get away with it, women don't. But the difference with this one is, Ross wasn't in any kind of position of caring or responsibility over either Charity or Debbie. Moira is Pete's aunty. She knew him as a kiddie. And she's a good 15 years older than him, it just doesn't feel like it because he looks at least 35 himself.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:32
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And she's a good 15 years older than him, it just doesn't feel like it because he looks at least 35 himself.
This just made me look up Anthony Quinlan's age - I can't believe he's only 32!
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:10
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So they are revisiting this crap again?

I'm sorry but no one wants to see this incestuous crap. So why do TPTB insist on forcing it down our throats. Coira is arguably the second most popular pairing on the show so why not get them back together and stop with this nonsense.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:26
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John and James were estranged for decades and even if Moira knew Pete as a kid, she wasn't around to see most of his childhood. The Barton boys didn't grow up with Moira acting as their aunty, so no she isn't in a position of care over Pete. He is a grown adult in his late 20s now anyway fgs

There is enough slut shaming of Moira on Emmerdale, without it happening on these boards as well. I swear it is the Barton family and Cain's mutual favourite pass time and it is a betrayal of her character imo that she never stands up for herself when it happens. That is not true to the Moira who came to the village in 2010.

I am not comfortable with it but from what I can tell from the spoilers she is drunk and at a low ebb when this happens, so I will hold of judging until I see the scenes.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:36
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John and James were estranged for decades and even if Moira knew Pete as a kid, she wasn't around to see most of his childhood. The Barton boys didn't grow up with Moira acting as their aunty, so no she isn't in a position of care over Pete. He is a grown adult in his late 20s now anyway fgs

There is enough slut shaming of Moira on Emmerdale, without it happening on these boards as well. I swear it is the Barton family and Cain's mutual favourite pass time and it is a betrayal of her character imo that she never stands up for herself when it happens. That is not true to the Moira who came to the village in 2010.

I am not comfortable with it but from what I can tell from the spoilers she is drunk and at a low ebb when this happens, so I will hold of judging until I see the scenes.
It doesn't matter how often they saw each other, they clearly have an aunt/nephew relationship that dates back to Pete's childhood, it is absolutely disgusting that either one of them would be attracted to the other.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:45
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It doesn't matter how often they saw each other, they clearly have an aunt/nephew relationship that dates back to Pete's childhood, it is absolutely disgusting that either one of them would be attracted to the other.
It does matter how often they saw each other actually (which is not once over a period of more than 20 years) because Pete did not grow up knowing Moira. They do not "clearly have and aunt/nephew relationship" The relationship they have was formed as adults. Pete clearly doesn't see her as an aunty and no amount of tantrum throwing by you or other viewers will change that.

Neither are blood related, both are consenting. It might not be to everyone's taste but it is not disgusting.

What makes me feel uncomfortable is her history with his dad and the fact he is her sons brother. Not a non existent aunty/nephew relationship.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:50
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So they are revisiting this crap again?

I'm sorry but no one wants to see this incestuous crap. So why do TPTB insist on forcing it down our throats. Coira is arguably the second most popular pairing on the show so why not get them back together and stop with this nonsense.
Agreed, it's vile.

I'm hoping the spoilers are bumping it up to be more than it actually is, because if they have a full-on sexual realtionship, then I can't see a way back for either character.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:51
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It does matter how often they saw each other actually (which is not once over a period of more than 20 years) because Pete did not grow up knowing Moira. They do not "clearly have and aunt/nephew relationship" The relationship they have was formed as adults. Pete clearly doesn't see her as an aunty and no amount of tantrum throwing by you or other viewers will change that.

Neither are blood related, both are consenting. It might not be to everyone's taste but it is not disgusting.

What makes me feel uncomfortable is her history with his dad and the fact he is her sons brother. Not a non existent aunty/nephew relationship.
If they didn't have a aunt/nephew relationship why does he call her aunt? I have aunts that I've only see a couple times in life but I still wouldn't not look at them in a sexual manner. That is just a line you don't cross.

You do make a valid point about Pete being Adam's half brother its all just too incestuous either way you look at it. I really wonder why they feel the need to go this route, there are plenty of other men they could have had Moira kiss instead of Pete.
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Old 05-12-2016, 16:53
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Agreed, it's vile.

I'm hoping the spoilers are bumping it up to be more than it actually is, because if they have a full-on sexual realtionship, then I can't see a way back for either character.
If that happens I will stop watching
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:00
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Good point. But not all episodes leave me with my mouth open, going, what the actual heck was that and did I dream it. That one did.



Plenty of people have called Ross all sorts - he's a proper man whore. The point still stands - men get away with it, women don't. But the difference with this one is, Ross wasn't in any kind of position of caring or responsibility over either Charity or Debbie. Moira is Pete's aunty. She knew him as a kiddie. And she's a good 15 years older than him, it just doesn't feel like it because he looks at least 35 himself.
Yes, you don't t stop feeling protective towards people you' ve known since they were babies just because they grow up and there is in my experience still a sort of respectful distance between adults and those who were the grown ups in their lives when they were children. I still feel uncomfortable not calling my second cousin by her first name without Auntie in front of it
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:01
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I don't know how I'd react to a relationship between the two. I really don't want to see one (mostly because Pete bores me to tears), but I wouldn't react so negatively that I'd switch off. It's just a terrible idea and I don't understand why Pete can't just be happy with Leyla.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:07
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I really wonder why they feel the need to go this route, there are plenty of other men they could have had Moira kiss instead of Pete.
I can only imagine it's to further push Emma over the edge and ramp up her vendetta against Moira? I can't think of another logical reason for this to be happening, again. It's not like viewers were clamouring for the weirdness that was the Moira/Pete faux-cest storyline to be revisited.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:07
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So they are revisiting this crap again?

I'm sorry but no one wants to see this incestuous crap. So why do TPTB insist on forcing it down our throats. Coira is arguably the second most popular pairing on the show so why not get them back together and stop with this nonsense.
You'd be surprised. Over on Hollyoaks, I seem to remember incest was sometimes served up as being quite sexy. But that's Hollyoaks for ya.

John and James were estranged for decades and even if Moira knew Pete as a kid, she wasn't around to see most of his childhood. The Barton boys didn't grow up with Moira acting as their aunty, so no she isn't in a position of care over Pete. He is a grown adult in his late 20s now anyway fgs

There is enough slut shaming of Moira on Emmerdale, without it happening on these boards as well. I swear it is the Barton family and Cain's mutual favourite pass time and it is a betrayal of her character imo that she never stands up for herself when it happens. That is not true to the Moira who came to the village in 2010.

I am not comfortable with it but from what I can tell from the spoilers she is drunk and at a low ebb when this happens, so I will hold of judging until I see the scenes.
I wasn't blaming Moira, the woman is in a dark place. I do think it makes Pete a proper creeper though - plus he's cheating on Lovely Leyla (who he never deserved in the first place ) whereas Moira's a free agent.

To be honest, it's probably only going to be a quick snog, anyway.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:09
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If they didn't have a aunt/nephew relationship why does he call her aunt? I have aunts that I've only see a couple times in life but I still wouldn't not look at them in a sexual manner. That is just a line you don't cross.

You do make a valid point about Pete being Adam's half brother its all just too incestuous either way you look at it. I really wonder why they feel the need to go this route, there are plenty of other men they could have had Moira kiss instead of Pete.
Does he? I know Finn does and Ross does (Ross does it more in a "p*ss taking" way more than a serious way) but Pete hasn't spoken about her in those terms recently if ever.

At the end of the day, she is a woman that was once married to a now dead uncle who was estranged from his dad for nearly all of his life and who had no contact with from infancy until adulthood. He did not grow up knowing her as his aunty. End of story. It's really not that big of deal, calm down.

Fancying your uncle's attractive wife is a tradition of English farce.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:11
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If that happens I will stop watching
bit over dramatic isn't it?

Charity and Cain are somehow related and they have been on/off for years. Not to mention Chas getting it on with Eli and Marlon. Also Debbie and Eli even had a thing. Its always the Dingles.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:12
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Does he? I know Finn does and Ross does (Ross does it more in a "p*ss taking" way more than a serious way) but Pete hasn't spoken about her in those terms recently if ever.

At the end of the day, she is a woman that was once married to a now dead uncle who was estranged from his dad for nearly all of his life and who had no contact with from infancy until adulthood. He did not grow up knowing her as his aunty. End of story. It's really not that big of deal, calm down.

Fancying your uncle's attractive wife is a tradition of English farce.
Its normal for Pete to like her, shes a sexy older woman, but Moira used to look after him as kid (granted, not very much) so surely that would be in the back of her mind.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:14
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Does he? I know Finn does and Ross does (Ross does it more in a "p*ss taking" way more than a serious way) but Pete hasn't spoken about her in those terms recently if ever.

At the end of the day, she is a woman that was once married to a now dead uncle who was estranged from his dad for nearly all of his life and who had no contact with from infancy until adulthood. He did not grow up knowing her as his aunty. End of story. It's really not that big of deal, calm down.

Fancying your uncle's attractive wife is a tradition of English farce.
Is it? Which ones?

The only one I know is in Iain Banks's The Crow Road, where Prentice sleeps with his "Aunty" Janice. Always makes me laugh. She's only a few years older than him, though.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:14
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You'd be surprised. Over on Hollyoaks, I seem to remember incest was sometimes served up as being quite sexy. But that's Hollyoaks for ya.



I wasn't blaming Moira, the woman is in a dark place. I do think it makes Pete a proper creeper though - plus he's cheating on Lovely Leyla (who he never deserved in the first place ) whereas Moira's a free agent.

To be honest, it's probably only going to be a quick snog, anyway.
If she has a drink in her and Pete is sober and he doesn't stop the kiss straight away then he should be ashamed of himself. But I think he will and the whole thing will be an embarrassing mess they both want to forget.

That said his brother Ross quite happily slept with a very drunk Kerry while he himself was sober a couple of months back so you never know (I don't know why ED seem to think it is ok to depict sex occurring under those circumstances, consensual sex certainly shouldn't happen when one person is sober and the other intoxicated)
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:16
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If she has a drink in her and Pete is sober and he doesn't stop the kiss straight away then he should be ashamed of himself. But I think he will and the whole thing will be an embarrassing mess they both want to forget.

That said his brother Ross quite happily slept with a very drunk Kerry while he himself was sober a couple of months back so you never know (I don't know why ED seem to think it is ok to depict sex occurring under those circumstances, consensual sex certainly shouldn't happen when one person is sober and the other intoxicated)
Kerry wasn't very drunk at all, she was a bit tipsy at the worst. She was on her way into town to get very drunk.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:19
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John and James were estranged for decades and even if Moira knew Pete as a kid, she wasn't around to see most of his childhood. The Barton boys didn't grow up with Moira acting as their aunty, so no she isn't in a position of care over Pete. He is a grown adult in his late 20s now anyway fgs

There is enough slut shaming of Moira on Emmerdale, without it happening on these boards as well. I swear it is the Barton family and Cain's mutual favourite pass time and it is a betrayal of her character imo that she never stands up for herself when it happens. That is not true to the Moira who came to the village in 2010.

I am not comfortable with it but from what I can tell from the spoilers she is drunk and at a low ebb when this happens, so I will hold of judging until I see the scenes.
Part of the problem is that Moira is mixed up with characters who will do that. Cain, Ross and Emma have attitudes, in this regard, that are about fifty years out of date, and Victoria is a fishwife. Emma had some right to feel aggrieved and lash out but she should have had it out with her previous James as much as she ever did with Moira. Moira needs to do a bit more caravan - dumping with all of them( Not, publicly humiliating them by reading out and mocking heartfelt love letters though - that was just cruel!).

Pete actually worries me more. He seems to have real feelings for her that can't t be put down to irrational behaviour in the course of grief.

I reckon he' ll put the moves on her and she'll maybe respond in the heat of the moment but see sense. I don't t really like Moira but she deserves a bit of understanding and sympathy at the moment, she's s in a bad way. As I' ve said before though, I think this is a plot device - Emma will find out and use it against her, her precious boy of course being blameless

I think there' s also a danger of generalising too. I don't think we are all slut shaming when we criticise Moira. Just like all the others she does things that earn the criticism. Although I suspect that in this scenario Pete will be the guilty one
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:19
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If she has a drink in her and Pete is sober and he doesn't stop the kiss straight away then he should be ashamed of himself. But I think he will and the whole thing will be an embarrassing mess they both want to forget.

That said his brother Ross quite happily slept with a very drunk Kerry while he himself was sober a couple of months back so you never know (I don't know why ED seem to think it is ok to depict sex occurring under those circumstances, consensual sex certainly shouldn't happen when one person is sober and the other intoxicated)
That whole Kerry/Ross story was really lazy and vile, I thought. Just a plot device to get her preggers and split her up with Dan. I just don't think Mr New Boss "gets" Kerry at all, he's turned her into a properly maudlin selfish victim type. I loved her because she had a decent heart and was a bit of a tough cookie who could look after herself.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:20
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Kerry wasn't very drunk at all, she was a bit tipsy at the worst. She was on her way into town to get very drunk.
She had been sat in the pub drinking with Jimmy all day and was seen stumbling out of the toilet. She was drunk.

No mater what stage of drunk we are talking, if you are sober and your perspective conquest isn't, you do not go there.
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