l lost interest after three week of Ed and he ruined the series for me.
First time I've ever lost interest in Strictly
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I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
excellent dancing entertainment show.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC
That was until the great BP got wind that the dancing was second to entertainment John Sergean ,springs to mind , in those days Dance was the prime objective of the show
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
Disagree.
No dumbing down.
SCD has always had a spread of celebrities from different professions, in fact st times seems a formula, one from Breakfast, one from Eastenders, a pop celebrity, one from Radio, etc.
Part of the multi age popularity and diversity of the audience is due to the variety or the various contestants. Each year we have, why we're these chosen, I have never heard of this person, but they can be the stars.
The viewers vote and often like the personality, or the joke act, or the person who is an underdog, on their journey. I didn't like Judge Rinder before, I do now.
So we the viewer choose, the semi professional celebrity sometimes looses out on a bad dance.
SCD is on fire in the ratings, 12 million enjoy it.
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
Chris Hollins won with the dance off in place. It's always possible for non-dancers to win, they just have to top the public vote (as, if you believe the voting leaks from that series, he did more or less every week). If Ed had topped the public vote last weekend he would have stayed. He didn't, so his lack of ability meant that he left.
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
But, as Monkseal's post highlighted no winner (other than Darren Gough who stuttered the first week only) has placed lower than 4th on the week one leaderboard.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“In week 1, Chris, Jill and Tom were 4th, Louis, Kara, Jay, Mark, Alesha and Caroline were all 3rd, Harry and Natasha were 2nd, Abbey was 1st.
Compare that to this series and Ore (6th) would be a bigger "jurnee" than any of the above, Cloudia (8th) would be one of the same magnitude as Darren, and Rinder (10th) would be the biggest we've ever had.”
“In week 1, Chris, Jill and Tom were 4th, Louis, Kara, Jay, Mark, Alesha and Caroline were all 3rd, Harry and Natasha were 2nd, Abbey was 1st.
Compare that to this series and Ore (6th) would be a bigger "jurnee" than any of the above, Cloudia (8th) would be one of the same magnitude as Darren, and Rinder (10th) would be the biggest we've ever had.”
Even the non dancers had to be good - or at least acceptable - from early doors. In 13 series, 12 winners have been sourced from week one's top 4.
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
“I'll say it again.
I think that Danny mac is the best dancer that SCD have ever had on the show......
My point, and I think a very valid one, is that if the researchers are going to pick such an obvious high class act, then why bother with the Ed Balls, Greg Ruherfords and Judge Rinders of this world. They don.t stand a chance and are just there to pad out the show until the final few weeks.
As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
It really is dumbing down an otherwise excellent entertainment show.”
Yes, I agree, changing the format of the show to allow the judges to choose who goes home took some of the enjoyment away for me. Of course they will send home the less proficient dancer but that is not always the one who is most entertaining or who has made the most improvement or the biggest journey. The Dannys, Jays and Louises with previous dance experience generally rise to the top of the heap and it become inevitable from the early weeks that the rest haven't got a chance despite putting in hours of training and working hard.
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“I am loving this year . Loved it from day one and enjoyed Ed learn and watching Danny wow me and watch Greg learn .
It was last year for me that didn't hold my interest . Mainly I guess because I couldn't relate to the Jay adoration . He did a good jive I will admit but after that I was indifferent to him and lost connection to the show because of him I think”
“I am loving this year . Loved it from day one and enjoyed Ed learn and watching Danny wow me and watch Greg learn .
It was last year for me that didn't hold my interest . Mainly I guess because I couldn't relate to the Jay adoration . He did a good jive I will admit but after that I was indifferent to him and lost connection to the show because of him I think”
Thinking more about it I think my disinterest stems from last year. The whole Jay craziness baffled me totally. It was so obvious he was the winner from quite early on so the competitive aspect was missing for me.
It's happening again this year as Danny is so far in front of the rest of the pack I don't even want to get invested in anyone. Without that investment it's just another show that I will watch, or not, depending on what else is happening in my life.
I suppose the product ( the show) has to appeal to many different people with different wishes I can not see how a show made up of just 1 class of competitor no dance , little dance Joke person it has to appeal to all
Being good doesn't gurantee that you will win. If a less talented celebrity gets loads of public support every week, they have a decent chance of winning the show. That's why they can include the good dancers in the competition.
Originally Posted by collaw:
“I suppose the product ( the show) has to appeal to many different people with different wishes I can not see how a show made up of just 1 class of competitor no dance , little dance Joke person it has to appeal to all”
“I suppose the product ( the show) has to appeal to many different people with different wishes I can not see how a show made up of just 1 class of competitor no dance , little dance Joke person it has to appeal to all”
I'm not sure that's a show anyone wants! My ideal is a few weeks of people at differing levels of ability who improve and blossom as they are taught by the pros. And a good spread of support for them all.
Oh! and appropriate music
(I'll never give up with this one!!)
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“Thinking more about it I think my disinterest stems from last year. The whole Jay craziness baffled me totally. It was so obvious he was the winner from quite early on so the competitive aspect was missing for me.
It's happening again this year as Danny is so far in front of the rest of the pack I don't even want to get invested in anyone. Without that investment it's just another show that I will watch, or not, depending on what else is happening in my life.”
“Thinking more about it I think my disinterest stems from last year. The whole Jay craziness baffled me totally. It was so obvious he was the winner from quite early on so the competitive aspect was missing for me.
It's happening again this year as Danny is so far in front of the rest of the pack I don't even want to get invested in anyone. Without that investment it's just another show that I will watch, or not, depending on what else is happening in my life.”
I agree to a point last year Jay was challenged by the likes of Helen and Georgia in the middle of the series. Obviously Kellie in the final. Would he have won without his Jive and the impact it had I don't know? But from a pure dancing point of view I don't think it was clear he was the best dancer at all.
This year I think its more clear cut Danny is the best by quite a way. The only real competition he has is Louise. But he has had two 40's already. The judges do try and make into a competition each year. But this year its hard, because Danny is so good.
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“There has been only been four series where I have had a celebrity I supported. Ramps, Gethin, Jay and now Danny. I watch because I enjoy it!”
“There has been only been four series where I have had a celebrity I supported. Ramps, Gethin, Jay and now Danny. I watch because I enjoy it!”
Hopefully when Final 2016 ends ,Gill, you will have supported 3 winners out of the 4 celebs
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“I agree to a point last year Jay was challenged by the likes of Helen and Georgia in the middle of the series. Obviously Kellie in the final. Would he have won without his Jive and the impact it had I don't know? But from a pure dancing point of view I don't think it was clear he was the best dancer at all.
This year I think its more clear cut Danny is the best by quite a way. The only real competition he has is Louise. But he has had two 40's already. The judges do try and make into a competition each year. But this year its hard, because Danny is so good.”
“I agree to a point last year Jay was challenged by the likes of Helen and Georgia in the middle of the series. Obviously Kellie in the final. Would he have won without his Jive and the impact it had I don't know? But from a pure dancing point of view I don't think it was clear he was the best dancer at all.
This year I think its more clear cut Danny is the best by quite a way. The only real competition he has is Louise. But he has had two 40's already. The judges do try and make into a competition each year. But this year its hard, because Danny is so good.”
Yes, I agree it's more clear cut this year. I didn't actually think Jay was the best dancer last year mind. But it was still clear from quite early on he would win. That floppy haired shy boy act certainly worked
But I still watched as I had a level of interest. This year it's gone really. I go onto Youtube to watch some of the dancers if I have time. I'll probably watch the final.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“There's a week like this in most series though. Series 11 it was when Mark Benton had been in multiple dance-offs in a row and was the weakest dancer remaining. Same in Series 12 with Sunetra. Last year it was the week Jamelia left, where her leaving was so predictable that the show practically broke its own back breaking its own rules of engagement to make it happen.
I think getting rid of the dance-off would lessen the predictability to a degree, but that ship has clearly sailed at this point.”
“There's a week like this in most series though. Series 11 it was when Mark Benton had been in multiple dance-offs in a row and was the weakest dancer remaining. Same in Series 12 with Sunetra. Last year it was the week Jamelia left, where her leaving was so predictable that the show practically broke its own back breaking its own rules of engagement to make it happen.
I think getting rid of the dance-off would lessen the predictability to a degree, but that ship has clearly sailed at this point.”
I think losing the dance-off would be a great idea - at the very least once it gets to, say, the final 6. Alternatively, have the public vote being the sole decider (so either no judges' marks, or judges still giving marks, but those marks not being combined with the public vote to get the result). That way, it does become more unpredictable and means that anyone can go!
This outcome of the next few weeks is far from predictable, especially compared to Jay's win last year. I'll expect at least one draw in this weeks leaderboard thus making it easier for anyone to end up in the dance off. Danny winning is far from a foregone conclusion. Louise is very popular and Ore has only been in one dance off (i think!)
If people are feeling put out cos they think their fave has got no chance and don't vote for them because they think it's pointless well don't be surprised if they go home. The public vote is there for a reason and as has been mentioned Chris Hollins won (unfortunately! lol)
As far as liking a celeb's dancing I see each week I see it as a fresh slate, last week Ore did my favourite dance of the night despite the fact I haven't liked any of his dances previously.
If you go in with an attitude of this year is the worst/it's so boring and predictable/it's fixed the judges are biased then don't be surprised if your viewing experience is negative.
If people are feeling put out cos they think their fave has got no chance and don't vote for them because they think it's pointless well don't be surprised if they go home. The public vote is there for a reason and as has been mentioned Chris Hollins won (unfortunately! lol)
As far as liking a celeb's dancing I see each week I see it as a fresh slate, last week Ore did my favourite dance of the night despite the fact I haven't liked any of his dances previously.
If you go in with an attitude of this year is the worst/it's so boring and predictable/it's fixed the judges are biased then don't be surprised if your viewing experience is negative.
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“I think losing the dance-off would be a great idea - at the very least once it gets to, say, the final 6. Alternatively, have the public vote being the sole decider (so either no judges' marks, or judges still giving marks, but those marks not being combined with the public vote to get the result). That way, it does become more unpredictable and means that anyone can go!”
“I think losing the dance-off would be a great idea - at the very least once it gets to, say, the final 6. Alternatively, have the public vote being the sole decider (so either no judges' marks, or judges still giving marks, but those marks not being combined with the public vote to get the result). That way, it does become more unpredictable and means that anyone can go!”
Not before but losing the DO in the final weeks is a very good idea certainly that said if Danny ends up in it I might change my tune.
Apart from too many female celebs eliminated in a row (which imbalance has now been somewhat redressed), I don't have too many complaints.
Last year I didn't think there was much uncertainty over the winner from quite early on but this year I still don't have a strong conviction as we approach the QFs.
Last year I didn't think there was much uncertainty over the winner from quite early on but this year I still don't have a strong conviction as we approach the QFs.
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“Thinking more about it I think my disinterest stems from last year. The whole Jay craziness baffled me totally. It was so obvious he was the winner from quite early on so the competitive aspect was missing for me.
It's happening again this year as Danny is so far in front of the rest of the pack I don't even want to get invested in anyone. Without that investment it's just another show that I will watch, or not, depending on what else is happening in my life.”
“Thinking more about it I think my disinterest stems from last year. The whole Jay craziness baffled me totally. It was so obvious he was the winner from quite early on so the competitive aspect was missing for me.
It's happening again this year as Danny is so far in front of the rest of the pack I don't even want to get invested in anyone. Without that investment it's just another show that I will watch, or not, depending on what else is happening in my life.”
The thing is, it ISN'T obvious to the vast majority of the viewers. Most people don't interact with Strictly beyond watching the Saturday and Sunday night shows.
Originally Posted by gorlagon:
“The thing is, it ISN'T obvious to the vast majority of the viewers. Most people don't interact with Strictly beyond watching the Saturday and Sunday night shows.”
“The thing is, it ISN'T obvious to the vast majority of the viewers. Most people don't interact with Strictly beyond watching the Saturday and Sunday night shows.”
I'm only speaking for myself though. It's obvious to me. Just like last year. That's why I have lost interest.
Originally Posted by Fairytootoo:
“Having watched every year apart from series 1, I'm ok this year, still enjoying the dancing.
There have been 2 years previously that got me feeling like you though, 1 year I gave up at 1/4 finals.
Like everything, I guess it's a personal thing, good job too”
“Having watched every year apart from series 1, I'm ok this year, still enjoying the dancing.
There have been 2 years previously that got me feeling like you though, 1 year I gave up at 1/4 finals.
Like everything, I guess it's a personal thing, good job too
”
Like you I started watching in series 2 and I haven't enjoyed every series. I recall at least 2, possibly 3, when I only watched out of a sense of obligation.
But I've enjoyed this series. Didn't think I would when I saw the line up. I rolled my eyes at Ed Balls and thought "who?" when I saw the name "Danny Mac" but they ended up being my favourites!
I agree with all the overproduction comments. Dancing should be beautiful enough or exciting enough or moving enough not to need props or extras or comedy VTs. The producers are so scared of the show becoming boring that everything has been micromanaged, but it also means that nothing is natural or organic anymore.
Originally Posted by notsolonely153:
“I agree with all the overproduction comments. Dancing should be beautiful enough or exciting enough or moving enough not to need props or extras or comedy VTs. The producers are so scared of the show becoming boring that everything has been micromanaged, but it also means that nothing is natural or organic anymore.”
“I agree with all the overproduction comments. Dancing should be beautiful enough or exciting enough or moving enough not to need props or extras or comedy VTs. The producers are so scared of the show becoming boring that everything has been micromanaged, but it also means that nothing is natural or organic anymore.”
I completely agree with this comment, have watched Strictly since the beginning and this is the first time I've ever had six favourites in the competition ..... and three of them are still there
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
“As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.”
“As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.”
I have been posting threads each week showing the maths and how rigged this voting system is against the public vote, eg:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2192184
For example the public favourite can be eliminated in a week. This week the last placed person on the leaderboard will be eliminated in 50% of all occassions when they are 2nd with the public. (Next week it is 5 in 6 occassions.)
The BBC are fully aware of these probabilities and say this amount of bias is fine and does not break their Editorial Guidelines that require each couple to have a fair chance of winning.
They appear to feel million to 1 chances of appearing in the dance off to be acceptable in many early weeks. They even appear to feel they can tell the public no one is safe, even though they are fully aware of these million to 1 odds.
Originally Posted by Scaley_Back:
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As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
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As has been pointed out many times; in the past non dancers actually stood a chance of winning as the public voted the dance off and the judges had less power. This obviously did not suit the powers that be at the BBC so the Judges were given the power to tip the balance in favour of the "anointed" celebs.
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Factoring in that out of 13 winners, 12 have finished in the top 4 of the first leaderboard of their series - which non-dancers would these be? Every winner from ringer to beginner has been goodish from week one (or in the case of Darren Gough, week 2).
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