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What other stupid EU rules on electrical appliances exist?
Following on from the saga of the limit in vacuum cleaner motors I recently looked into buying a coffee machine, something like this..
http://www.tesco.com/direct/russell-...&source=others The reason why is for days when I work from home, I thought I could put some coffee on in the morning and then have a cup when it is brewed and then pour extra coffee out from the jug over the next hour or so as and when I fancied. It turns out the EU regulations enforce that all these machines must cut out dead on 40 minutes, so I can't find one that would keep the little hotplate on for longer (the one that only keeps the cofffee warm). I would drink coffee which as been on the hotplate longer than 40 minutes and seemingly people on Amazon would as there's a load of comments from disappointed consumers finding that since the new rules came into place the new machines all cut out. Stupid stupid rule making busybodies dictating all sorts of silly little rules about what everything can and can't do. What other silly EU laws exist? |
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Is coffee that's been kept warm on a hotplate for an hour still fit to drink? I've found that it rapidly becomes oily and bitter, as well as acquiring a rather unpleasant gritty texture.
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Most people are complaining about them turning off at 30 minutes so they stay inside of EU rules as the 40 minutes includes brewing time.
I'd definitely drink coffee from a jug that has been hot for 40 minutes, 50 mins, 1 hour but the EU has dictated that we're not allowed. |
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Soup makers are the same - they switch off after 30 - 40 minutes.
Yet Lorraine Kelly still prattles on after years on TV.............. |
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Brexit is coming soon anyway.
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Brexit is coming soon anyway.
Hopefully the UK will be able to important and buy decent vacuum cleaners, coffee makers, soup makers etc without these nanny state rules. |
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Brexit is coming soon anyway.
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But do you really think manufacturers in the EU and elsewhere in the world will manufacture a specific UK spec coffee machine without a safety cut out?
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One good thing was the introduction of fitted plugs
Remember the "joy" of trying to cut the wires to the correct length to fit in the plug |
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Don't new TVs do the same thing?
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Good, I'd like to see us import more of the items made in asia which are sold to the US and the rest of the world without these EU restrictions in place.
Hopefully the UK will be able to important and buy decent vacuum cleaners, coffee makers, soup makers etc without these nanny state rules. No i don't want to destroy my hearing but i do want the flexibility of not having to buy super high sensitive headphones or be able to listen to quieter recordings at a reasonable level. |
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The regulation in question is Commison Regulation (EU) 801/2013. As a Member State the UK was fully involved in the implementiation of the Reg. Immediately post brexit domestic legislation will mirror current EU regulations (as will the import controls). It will be a long, long time before any changes are made, if any.
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The regulation in question is Commison Regulation (EU) 801/2013. As a Member State the UK was fully involved in the implementiation of the Reg. Immediately post brexit domestic legislation will mirror current EU regulations (as will the import controls). It will be a long, long time before any changes are made, if any.
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Why would you want to leave a filter coffee machine idling for longer than 40 minutes anyway?
It seems like a waste of electricity. |
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Why would you want to leave a filter coffee machine idling for longer than 40 minutes anyway?
It seems like a waste of electricity. But they will defend their right to do so, to the death!!!!!! |
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Why would you want to leave a filter coffee machine idling for longer than 40 minutes anyway?
It seems like a waste of electricity. |
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Yes they will - if the price is right.
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And if we "do a Norway" to get a similar trading deal with the EU we will likely have to implement EU rules and regs even though we no longer have a say in how they are made, as Norway currently does.
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Brexit is coming soon anyway.
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Is it not a bigger waste to have to throw it away and brew up another batch of coffee?
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Have a look at the lid of your wheelie bin and it will tell you how noisy it is in dB.
EU stand*ard EN 840–1:2004 applies. |
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We are not going to do a Norway though. That was not what people voted for and was never an option on the ballot paper.
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Pretty sure my coffee hotplate switched off after a certain amount of time in Australia. Then again, I was never mithered about drinking coffee that was less than 'hot', so I can never remember getting annoyed about it. I'd just 'nuke' it in the microwave anyhow if it was a problem.
I do like a stewed coffee. Bitter bastard with bitter tastes! |
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Is it not a bigger waste to have to throw it away and brew up another batch of coffee?
The differences lie in where there is waste energy coming into play. Keeping a jug warm all day, there will be radiant heat into the kitchen which will need topping up from the hotplate, which is waste energy. It's this waste energy that they are doing away with by making them switch off, but then as has been said you'd need to drink all the coffee in the time it is warm or else the wasted coffee is more wasteful than the energy side. Absolutely, your suggestion of throwing away the cold and making more is very wasteful, as you completely loose all the energy you've put into the first pot. Reheating the cooled pot back to temperature should be reasonably similar to the keeping it warm, that is you're only making up the ambient losses in both cases. Letting it cool down and pouring a cold cup and then giving it a quick microwave spin is better than chucking it all out or reheating it all every time. The best way would be to brew a single cup full at a time then switch it all off again. Bit of a faff and would use a lot of filter papers. If you're worrying about energy alone than the pod machine type is the most efficient as not only does it only heat up the exact amount of water it needs, the heating elements are some of the most energy efficient there are as there is little heat wasted. The downside of those are the price and the filling up landfill with the little spent pods. (Although the efficiency of the elements more than makes up for the carbon footprint of the pod, in pure CO2 terms.) |
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We are not going to do a Norway though. That was not what people voted for and was never an option on the ballot paper.
Do you have better information than the Minister responsible for Brexit? |
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