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Old 02-12-2016, 14:07
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David Davies was hinting at doing a Norway yesterday.
Do you have better information than the Minister responsible for Brexit?
On the other hand, what David Davies hints at, what David Davies wants, what David Davies promises and what David Davies actually does can be six different things.

We won't know anything for sure until a long time after it is all over.
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:09
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The British Standards Institute and its Kitemark were infamous for their own strict rules.

They incorporate Green Rules and Safety Rules. They must be rubbing their hands at lots of extra money by us leaving Europe.

Did you really think that voting Brexit would free us from tyranny?
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:15
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The British Standards Institute and its Kitemark were infamous for their own strict rules.

They incorporate Green Rules and Safety Rules. They must be rubbing their hands at lots of extra money by us leaving Europe.

Did you really think that voting Brexit would free us from tyranny?
Stupidity maybe, British Standards never brought in rules like coffee hotplates going off after 30 minutes.

To those who say the coffee is no good after 30 minutes... what was the point of the hotplate then? that's the whole idea of putting on a jug of coffee. I'd say it should last fine for an hour.
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:21
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CE marking and Energy Efficiency standards came in 20 or 30 years ago, thats why you don't associate them with BSI.


In any event, my coffee percolator annoys me too. I simply pop a lukewarm cup in the Microwave for 30--60 seconds.
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:28
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https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/hot-coffee/

There have been some rumblings that the EU is set to ban coffee machines or force cold coffee on the general public. We wish to cut this myth off at the pass and explain why new rules coming into force as of January 2015 will not affect your beloved old coffee machine and why any new machine you buy will save on your electricity bills

This decision to introduce energy efficient coffee machines was supported by consumer and industry organisations and voted for by the EU member states, including the UK. It is not going to affect older coffee machines that people already have in their homes. Equally it will not impact coffee makers used in the commercial or industrial sector.

The new rule simply means that coffee machines on the market after January 2015 must have an energy efficient option by having an eco mode that puts the hotplate or element into standby after a certain period (see below): thereby saving on people’s electricity bills.
It turns out the EU regulations enforce that all these machines must cut out dead on 40 minutes,
The eco mode will be the default mode of the coffee machine but manufacturers are free to create a non time-limited option alongside the eco mode – thereby leaving choice open to the consumer.
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:31
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Stupidity maybe, British Standards never brought in rules like coffee hotplates going off after 30 minutes.

To those who say the coffee is no good after 30 minutes... what was the point of the hotplate then? that's the whole idea of putting on a jug of coffee. I'd say it should last fine for an hour.
You do realise that the British Standard institute is a founding member of the European Standards Institute and indeed the International Standards Organisation? Also these rules are decided by representatives from ALL member states and it isn't actually a "dictation from Europe" despite what the tabloids and some politicians would have you believe?
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:34
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:35
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So THIS is what Brexit was all about, then. This is what makes it worthwhile. Hooray for taking back control!
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:38
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Well said @Paul_DNAP

I tell you what I would like. Decent, easy to use Timers on ovens.

How many cook the evening meal and leave the oven on?
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:56
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Following on from the saga of the limit in vacuum cleaner motors
Not stupid at all. It has been shown that increasing the power of the motor has little to no affect on the cleaning ability. It's just a marketing ploy, an excuse to get you to waste your money replacing perfectly good machines and further wasting your money paying for electrical power consumption that you don't need.

Still if you think the EU is stupid for trying to stop you being fooled into wasting your money then that's your choice I guess.

Me, I'd rather read the facts.
Did you really think that voting Brexit would free us from tyranny?
Some people were/are indeed that stupid. Others (mainly losers) were just desperate to try anything in the hope that somehow miraculously it would stop them being losers. Sadly for them if there is any economic impact from Brexit it will be negative and those who've been failing at life will be even worse off than before. Those at the bottom of the heap are usually the first to suffer.

If nothing else the EU was a socialist influence on the UK. If we do manage to leave the EU we'll just become a smaller version of the US. Hardcore capitalist and to hell with anyone who can't figure out how to earn a decent wage.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:23
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I can't help but laugh at the idea of the British government not having things like energy efficiency laws post Brexit!

Are people really that naive?

Mind you, based on the fact that some people seemed to be surprised that the borders weren't immediately closed the day after the results came in, I guess the answer must be 'yes'.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:29
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My in laws in Belgium all have coffee machines that stay hot al the time, so why have ours been different
There are a lot of silly laws that have been introduced by busybody civil servants here which they then blame on the EU
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:31
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On the other hand, what David Davies hints at, what David Davies wants, what David Davies promises and what David Davies actually does can be six different things.

We won't know anything for sure until a long time after it is all over.
I know that, you know that but the poster I replied to states that he KNOWS what will happen.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:53
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No they won't because to manufacture a different variant for one small market (which in global terms the UK is) costs therefore making it more expensive.
Are all coffee makers, vacs etc made in non EU countries EU compliant? because if not then there wouldn't be the need to manufacture a variant for the UK.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:59
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You do realise that the British Standard institute is a founding member of the European Standards Institute and indeed the International Standards Organisation? Also these rules are decided by representatives from ALL member states and it isn't actually a "dictation from Europe" despite what the tabloids and some politicians would have you believe?
I'd like to see the results on the vote about coffee makers, have you got them?


Personally I bet there wasn't one.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:02
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It is a criminal offence to import non-CE Marked and Certified Electrical Equipment.

It won't change after we leave the EU (nor should it). Most of the Rules and Regs are soundly based.
We may put some wording in for Kitemarks again.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:02
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Why would you want to leave a filter coffee machine idling for longer than 40 minutes anyway?

It seems like a waste of electricity.
They don't idle away though do they, thermostats turn them off and on.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:06
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Are all coffee makers, vacs etc made in non EU countries EU compliant? because if not then there wouldn't be the need to manufacture a variant for the UK.
Yes, the CE marking is mandatory for products SOLD in the EU. It is not related to where the manufacturing location is as the importer who brings the goods it into the EU is considered the manufacturer if the factory itself not in the EU.

So in theory, yes, we could start to import the cheap death traps that the Chinese make for their own domestic and/or fakes markets instead of the safe stuff that meets the EU CE marks.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:11
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Is it not a bigger waste to have to throw it away and brew up another batch of coffee?
Unless you are using very expensive coffee, then probably not. Far easier to actually make less in the first place!
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:17
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I'd like to see the results on the vote about coffee makers, have you got them?


Personally I bet there wasn't one.
Well, the Energy Efficiency Directive was passed on a vote of For 253, Against 193 and Abstentions 46.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:18
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Have a look at the lid of your wheelie bin and it will tell you how noisy it is in dB.

EU stand*ard EN 840–1:2004 applies.
Which could be of indirect interest to those people still asleep when some households take out their waste or put out their bins.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:19
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Are all coffee makers, vacs etc made in non EU countries EU compliant? because if not then there wouldn't be the need to manufacture a variant for the UK.
If you want to import and sell goods within the eu then the goods need to meet the standards set.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:29
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Can we go back to 240V instead of 220V?

(err, oh, we never changed)
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:31
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Not only goes our Gaggia coffee machine turn itself off it then has to cool down further before it will restart to make another cup.

We won't have this problem when it it compulsory for all domestic equipment to be solar powered!
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:41
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I think its thanks to EU rulings that all Euro zone mobile phones pause as you increase the volume control and preach to you " loud volume can cause hearing loss" , or some such.

Its ridiculous the amount of meddling and nanny state rulings the Eu has imposed.
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