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Old 03-12-2016, 11:46
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:49
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:10
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TBH, I would not want coffee that have been left on a hotplate for that amount of time, I have an espresso machine, so it do not keep coffee hot, but it is a bit heavy on the electric, over 1000 watts.

My Tv uses enough to make the E.U energy department have kittens. Fed up of all this energy efficient crap to be honest, i can understand it on some things, but i have heard they even want to take the power usage down of toasters and kettles, stupid idea, toasters will take longer to toast and kettles will take longer to boil.

My one hate is banning the sale of normal bulbs, up to us what we use, no low energy bulb or lighting is as good as the good old fashion bulb, just glad I have plenty to last.
Of course not, who believe that...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...d-kettles.html
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:10
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Just because Supermarkets and DIY chains no longer stock old-style incandescent bulbs doesn't mean they are still not legally available.
True, and I suspect people's impression as to what is to blame comes from a summarised summary of a summarisation given to staff, whereby 'as an indirect consequence related to' becomes 'because of', and if there were any green/tax incentives those would be variously 'cheaper because' of more expensive because'. For anything that people object to, if there is an apparent culprit, that's the one that sticks.

Plus of course people hated the early mass-market* CFLs because the ones that everyone got as replacements for regular lightbulbs were utterly crap because we were all used to 'cheap means shorter life' rather than 'cheap means slowness, flickering, and a gradual reduction in lighting capability until you trip over something, and we were only joking about the equivalent-wattage thing, just a marketing ploy you understand ha ha silly silly customer'. The dislike for these was already tied to the EU so it just stuck.


TLDR: for people who are desperate to keep wedging brexit into every thread (even this one didn't have to have it), then blame the lightbulb retailers, it's all their fault.


* i.e. when they first appeared in all the shops alongside the regular bulbs pretending to be exact drop-in replacements
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:30
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A 2014 article which opens with "The European Union is considering pulling the plug ..." and speculates as to what could happen in the Spring of 2015?

It hasn't happened. There are no plans for it to happen.

All household electrical devices were being looked at to determine if worthwhile improvements to the efficiencies could be achieved.

"Looked at" does not equate to "THEY'RE BEING BANNED!" except in the world of the tabloid press.

As there was no scientific evidence of any realistic or worthwhile benefits to capping the power of kettles or toasters, they're not being capped.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:31
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Disappointing story, 6 years ago(?)

Replaced all the bulbs in our 4 bed Semi-D. £2 or £3 each.

Looked at old Electric Bills, read the Meter frequently, went round the house measuring every electrical item, costs did not go down.

I'm still baffled today and I know my kWhs and diversity and on-off ratios .
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:39
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Following on from the saga of the limit in vacuum cleaner motors I recently looked into buying a coffee machine, something like this..

http://www.tesco.com/direct/russell-...&source=others

The reason why is for days when I work from home, I thought I could put some coffee on in the morning and then have a cup when it is brewed and then pour extra coffee out from the jug over the next hour or so as and when I fancied.

It turns out the EU regulations enforce that all these machines must cut out dead on 40 minutes, so I can't find one that would keep the little hotplate on for longer (the one that only keeps the cofffee warm). I would drink coffee which as been on the hotplate longer than 40 minutes and seemingly people on Amazon would as there's a load of comments from disappointed consumers finding that since the new rules came into place the new machines all cut out.

Stupid stupid rule making busybodies dictating all sorts of silly little rules about what everything can and can't do. What other silly EU laws exist?
The vast majority of EU rules have had benefits.

A lot of tales of silly EU rules were either exaggerated but the tabloids, or companies whose abily to make money was hampered. Just like Dysons sour grapes about having to tell customers who inefficient there machines were compared to other.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:55
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... Looked at old Electric Bills, read the Meter frequently, went round the house measuring every electrical item, costs did not go down. ...
And there's the other disappointment, the expense of them for eff-all difference - fridges, freezers, hot water, ovens, kettles, electric showers... if you have more than a couple of things* in that list they will dwarf your lighting bill into non-existence unless you are living in Crystal Palace (a frequently-heard parental complaint and not actually football related).

The culprit being the overselling of the wondrous benefits, a bit like politicians telling us that turning off the tap while brushing teeth will make any difference while industry continues to take all the water, and we are all having to use even more to rinse out everything before it goes into the recycling anyway, not forgetting the extra extra rinse cycle on washing machines, what do you mean you don't have a dishwashers etc...


* OK fridges/freezers aren't on all the time but at 200-300W each on their 'duty cycle' this is not to be sniffed at.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:06
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All a scam, like Windows 10.

Lighting bill is minimal, but it does save some Watts.

Advice on turning off Mobile Phone chargers is, of course, rubbish.

We have 2 chest-high fridge Freezers and an undercounter Freezer. I calculated them at 50W average each.

Either my calculations are wrong or your 200+ is. But I ain't going investigating with my power meter or on Google now
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:14
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Note earlier in the thread it mentioned vacumn cleaners (reduced) power.
My old 1600w packed in, and I - reluctantly - bought a replacement from Argos at half the power (800w) a Vortex for around £50. Wasn't expecting much from it.

It nearly pulled the ruddy carpet up, never mind the dust! It's not so much the power as the quality of the suction and the head, and I suppose keeping it well maintained. Very impressed, I now have two, one down and one up stairs.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:40
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... We have 2 chest-high fridge Freezers and an undercounter Freezer. I calculated them at 50W average each.

Either my calculations are wrong or your 200+ is. ...
Both are correct, plus or minus variations between models - the 200-300 on the 'duty cycle' (wrong expression I think) I intended to mean when it's actively whirring away, so divide that by 2-4 depending on how often it's opened (this is the key factor), whether or not it's one of those monster sized ones etc and how many bodies you are storing at -273C.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:46
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Note earlier in the thread it mentioned vacumn cleaners (reduced) power.
My old 1600w packed in, and I - reluctantly - bought a replacement from Argos at half the power (800w) a Vortex for around £50. Wasn't expecting much from it.

It nearly pulled the ruddy carpet up, never mind the dust! It's not so much the power as the quality of the suction and the head, and I suppose keeping it well maintained. Very impressed, I now have two, one down and one up stairs.
That must be the ultimate status symbol, up and below stairs vacuum cleaners
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:46
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the quality of the suction and the head.
Ooh err missus.
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Old 03-12-2016, 14:02
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whether or not it's one of those monster sized ones etc and how many bodies you are storing at -273C.
I suppose there is an EU directive on that
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Old 03-12-2016, 15:01
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I know someone who voted leave because she 'wants her light bulbs back'.
Is she planning to move to Africa or Central America?

The majority of the developed nations have phased out, or are phasing out, the old inefficient incandescent bulbs. It is not just an 'EU thing' so the notion that we'd have retained them if only we hadn't been part of the EU is a fantasy.
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Old 03-12-2016, 15:02
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I suppose there is an EU directive on that
Indeed there is. Damn' nuisance as well. Do you know how hard it is to sneak a body into a recycling centre?
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Old 03-12-2016, 15:22
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Do you really imagine that any government in this country is suddenly going to kick all energy & environmental policies into touch, thereby creating a market for inefficient vacuum cleaners, just because some people want a vacuum which also acts as temporary electric room heater, or because they can't leave their coffee machine on all day?

We're committed to more efficient energy usage, and not just because of the EU.
No just ridiculous ones such as being talked of here ie coffee makers and vacs which are being forced on people, it should be an option IMO.

If the EU was serious about saving energy they'd kick one of the two parliament buildings into touch instead of running two and switching occupancy every week.
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Old 03-12-2016, 15:37
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No just ridiculous ones such as being talked of here ie coffee makers and vacs which are being forced on people, it should be an option IMO.
The coffee makers is an option as shown in the thread.
Why would anyone want an inefficient hoover?
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:24
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The coffee makers is an option as shown in the thread.
Why would anyone want an inefficient hoover?
How is it an option? you buy one that cuts out at 40 mins including brew time or you don't buy it?
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:31
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Here is a stupid rule that I stumbled upon the other day.

Cameras that are capable of recording video in HD ( thats 1080p and above) are limited to 29 minutes and 59 seconds of recording time.

They would have to be reclasified as video recording equipment.
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:33
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How is it an option? you buy one that cuts out at 40 mins including brew time or you don't buy it?
Did you see my Post #70?
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:39
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How is it an option? you buy one that cuts out at 40 mins including brew time or you don't buy it?
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:39
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Did you see my Post #70?
... or ianx's post #30

EDIT ... tealady beat me to it!
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:40
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Here is a stupid rule that I stumbled upon the other day.

Cameras that are capable of recording video in HD ( thats 1080p and above) are limited to 29 minutes and 59 seconds of recording time.

They would have to be reclasified as video recording equipment.
Link?
VAT related ?
UK, USA, Australia?
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Old 03-12-2016, 17:48
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