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Cant you just keep the coffee in a slow cooker?
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Not only that, even though you'd just spent hundreds of pounds on your new washing machine, you had to BUY the plug to fit on it.
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A few months ago, I mentioned that we were taught how to wire a plug at school. My nephews and nieces were mystified, and found it hilarious that, "in the olden days", we bought something, got it how, and had to faff about with wire strippers and a screwdriver before we could use it.
It made me feel very old. ![]() And at the same time there was the learning of at least some basics about electricity, it was a practical exercise to make something that was actually going to be used, had to be done right, involving delicate work, visual judgement, following instructions (or copying from the other one while hoping that had been done properly), and if you didn't have wire strippers, improvisation. * someone else made the plug already, you are disempowered before you even open the package... |
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I love the way people credit the EU for things the UK were going to do anyway, or where UK rules exceed EU standards. Like the number of holiday days an employer must offer at a minimum, the UK exceeds any EU standard and had a generous minimum before the EU implemented any minimums.
The Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994 introduced the UK requirement and it looks like the EU rules came in later? In any case the UK would likely have followed suit with sensible rules which are brought in based on success in other counties. A lot of rules which the EU introduced were either already in place in the UK or were likely to be implemented anyway. However where the EU goes over the top is with specifying every tiny detail and creating rules for every little thing. Why the EU sees fit to put a record timer on a digital camera who knows, or why they can't say that a coffee hotpot should be fitted with auto shut off at a time of manufacturer choosing or not exceeding 90 minutes. |
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Indeed there is. Damn' nuisance as well. Do you know how hard it is to sneak a body into a recycling centre?
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Why the EU sees fit to put a record timer on a digital camera who knows
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or why they can't say that a coffee hotpot should be fitted with auto shut off at a time of manufacturer choosing or not exceeding 90 minutes.
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Eh?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-Redl...rds=wire+snips https://www.amazon.co.uk/Status-13AP...three+pin+plug Blue to the left, brown to the right, anything left over stick it up the middle. There is no EU law saying that you can't replace the plug on a power lead. All the EU said was that it was stupid, annoying and potentially dangerous to supply electrical items without a plug. Another example of a great EU law. Time was when you could swap plugs from one item to another if you needed to change a plug, or if something stopped working beyond repair you could take the plug off before binning it so you'd always have some spares in. The other day I was putting some fairy lights up in a porch for my parents for Christmas. They have a little hole drilled in wood paneling just by the the front door that goes into the porch. The wires go through into the hall and everything is plugged in in there. There were 2 sets of outdoor-type lights that have a little socket that detaches fhe wiring from the power adapter that were easy to do. Just unplug the wiring from the adapter, thread through the hole and re-connect to the adapter in the hall on the other side of the hole. Then there was a set of lights more designed for indoor use that were a bit of a pain with a more conventional plug on (no adapter). I thought I'd simply take the plug off, thread through the hole and re-fit the plug on the other side. Couldn't do that as it was one of those molded ones so the only way to detach the plug was to cut it off. We then went round the house looking for electrical items they no longer use to take a plug off and put on these lights as you obviously can't get a molded one back on. The first 5 or 6 items we found all had molded plugs too. In the end we found a foot massager thingy with a plug that could be detached without having to cut it off and used that. Yes, you can easily buy screw-together plugs from diy shops etc. for just such an occasion and next time I'm in one I might well pick some up because that whole process the other day was more fuss than it was worth. |
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They don't.
As has already been pointed out to you, the power saving modes only have to be the default mode. Manufacturers can choose to implement user selectable modes that stay on for longer. http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...cording-limit/ How about posting links to a couple of models on sale in the EU without these silly restrictions? You'll struggle to find any because of the EU's meddling in every little detail. The people dreaming up these rules aren't even elected or accountable. |
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The effect the EU has on the market has meant that these silly rules have lead to consumers not being able to get the product features they would like.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...cording-limit/ How about posting links to a couple of models on sale in the EU without these silly restrictions? You'll struggle to find any because of the EU's meddling in every little detail. The people dreaming up these rules aren't even elected or accountable. The WTO have already dealt with inconsistencies in import tariffs for electronics. |
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See my earlier post on the subject.
The WTO have already dealt with inconsistencies in import tariffs for electronics. |
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The effect the EU has on the market has meant that these silly rules have lead to consumers not being able to get the product features they would like..
Especially in relation to lightbulbs, there was quite a bit of damage limitation that could have been done but the consumers were presumed upon to just put up with it because the peasants are of course always revolting. |
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I'm not going to fish through 184 posts in the thread. How about posting the products as suggested previously.
I named one such camera in my previous post - the Panasonic Lumix GH4R, which has no time limit on recording. Another example would be the Canon EOS 1DC, with a 12 hour limit on recording. And of course, any purpose-built video camera will not be restricted to 30 minutes. Besides, as I posted earlier, import tariffs were removed on still and video cameras on 1 July 2016 so the EU's 30 minute distinction between a still and video camera is no longer relevant. |
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Interesting admission that you haven't been reading replies to your own thread, despite still attempting to assert your point of view is correct.
I named one such camera in my previous post - the Panasonic Lumix GH4R, which has no time limit on recording. Another example would be the Canon EOS 1DC, with a 12 hour limit on recording. I'm sure more people will post other silly rules and limitations on other items as well. We are told what we can and can't have in our products by unelected EU bureaucrats |
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I haven't been reading every single one no, so there's 2 cameras on the whole market?
Stop being lazy and research things properly for yourself, or are you scared of realising you are misinformed? |
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You asked for two examples and I gave you two examples.
Stop being lazy and research things properly for yourself, or are you scared of realising you are misinformed? |
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I thought that although the camera/video classification thing had apparently been fixed, that does not eradicate the past where the differentiation did exist for a time, or did it never exist and was that the episode of Seven Days that I missed?
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should have realised you would over pay for a vacuum cleaner. if I was going to pay that much I would want it to do the cleaning for me while I am asleep.
Like people who buy Dyson because they think they are better and yet I have heard a lot of complaints about their reliability and when I borrowed my neighbours because my old cleaner have died, it did not do a better job at all, it picked up no more than my old electrolux,. I have a Morphy Richards 2 in 1 now, it is fine, does the job well, not as good as a full blown vacuum cleaner but then i would not expect it too, I will get one of them next year when I can find one I like. |
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I'm not going to fish through 184 posts in the thread. How about posting the products as suggested previously.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=166 |
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Let me save you the trouble of having to trawl back a whole page ...
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=166 |
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Thanks, so 2 models have satisfied the EU by having alternative modes which aren't the default when you turn it on, at least there's a couple left.
![]() Would you like me to try and find some more or, having previously convinced yourself that there are't any because we're not allowed to have them, you're now going to convince yourself that there are only two? It's been explained on numerous occasions that the 40 auto cut-off or auto standby is the default setting, but the manufacturer can offer other options as well. You've repeatedly ignored those explanations and insisted that the EU won't allow us to have a longer time, that the manufacturers hands are tied, that coffee-makers with a one-hour shut-off simply don't exist, that nobody will find one etc. etc. This wasn't just an off-the cuff remark or an isolated claim. It was the whole basis of your argument and you repeated it time and time again. To save you having to go through your own thread; let me remind you ... Quote:
I'd definitely drink coffee from a jug that has been hot for 40 minutes, 50 mins, 1 hour but the EU has dictated that we're not allowed.
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How is it an option? you buy one that cuts out at 40 mins including brew time or you don't buy it?
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Wrong, there has to be a 40 minute shut off from the start of the brew time, there is no way around that. It is that aspect which this discussion is about.
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To prove a point, that the OP won't be able to find them as part of a reply to that specific post by the user.
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However where the EU goes over the top is with specifying every tiny detail and creating rules for every little thing. Why the EU sees fit to put a record timer on a digital camera who knows, or why they can't say that a coffee hotpot should be fitted with auto shut off at a time of manufacturer choosing or not exceeding 90 minutes.
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Thanks, so 2 models have satisfied the EU by having alternative modes which aren't the default when you turn it on, at least there's a couple left.
evil c gave many possibilities in #70. You agree that your opening claim "It turns out the EU regulations enforce that all these machines must cut out dead on 40 minutes" is incorrect? |
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They were 2 examples.
evil c gave many possibilities in #70. You agree that your opening claim "It turns out the EU regulations enforce that all these machines must cut out dead on 40 minutes" is incorrect? What we need now is for them to leave well alone on other things and to tone back the silly over the top rules. |
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OK this argument could go on forever because it turns out our bananas and cucumbers can be as bent as we like them but what I would really like to know is what the EU is going to do when the Russians march into Poland?
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We've found 2 cameras and 2 coffee machines,
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OK this argument could go on forever because it turns out our bananas and cucumbers can be as bent as we like them but what I would really like to know is what the EU is going to do when the Russians march into Poland?
![]() -------------- Now I'm not going to trawl this thread, or European Standards, and this is just a guess. For Coffee Machines, if you want to claim Super Energy Efficiency X, you need to have a 40 minute shut-off. Most Manufacturers won't want to claim Middling Energy Efficiency so they won't make them and jsut say "Oh, it's an EU Directive" I've no idea about Video Cams. |
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I thought the reason originally for digital cameras having a 12, 15 or 30 minute limit was down to taping laws from decades ago, a device like a video recorder or camcorder had a tariff applied that supposedly went to pay a percentage to copyright holders, the idea being that a video recorder/ camcorder with AV inputs could record copyright material and so a tape levy was paid to artists (or such like)
I thought that if a camera had a short recording limit then it was able to escape having this 12.5% tape levy tax applied, thus making them cheaper and not penalising buyers who likely would never copy films onto them anyway. But also isn't there (wasn't there) a 4GB file FAT size limit that means a recording could only be that size before a new clip had to be started.... which happened to be about 30 mins of HD video? or something like that. |
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