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Old 02-12-2016, 21:02
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And I have been in money troubles before... and never in my life have I stolen a penny from my family or put them in danger.

Lee is scum. A total coward and a theaf. Depression is not his excuse here.

I don't know why but I felt compelled to say this.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:04
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Yeah, I agree. I'm actually quite sad that they've taken Lee in this direction. I thought they were doing a brilliant job highlighting the effects of depression and now he's just done something so irredeemable that I don't think his family will ever forgive him when they find out.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:09
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Linda was raped in that pub and now she's been burgled there.

Lee already put Ollie in harms way by fighting with Nancy and he now has sent burglars into Ollies home endangering him again.

This is also the second time Johnny has been involved ina burglary that was set up by the relative of the owner too.

Yes I cannot see Mick being so forgiving this time.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:13
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Yeah, I agree. I'm actually quite sad that they've taken Lee in this direction. I thought they were doing a brilliant job highlighting the effects of depression and now he's just done something so irredeemable that I don't think his family will ever forgive him when they find out.
yeah I think they have been doing a really good job too. I just don't want them blaming depression on what Lee did there. Because I've been to lower lows than Lee before with depression, badly needed money, and have never even entertained the idea and never would, of stealing from my family or putting them in harms way. That's Lee as a person that's made this decision and I just hope they address that on the show and make it clear.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:18
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It's possible to be both depressed and a worthless scumbag, Lee is both.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:21
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Yes this is nothing to do with depression and everything to do with pride. It takes a ruthless confidence to do the things he's doing and someone with depression does not have that sort of confidence. Cold, ruthless and totally selfish.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:24
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Yes this is nothing to do with depression and everything to do with pride. It takes a ruthless confidence to do the things he's doing and someone with depression does not have that sort of confidence. Cold, ruthless and totally selfish.
Babe would be proud
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Old 02-12-2016, 22:02
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I didn't realise Lee set that up. How did he do it? Was quite intense at the end
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Old 02-12-2016, 22:03
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Why did he do it
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Old 02-12-2016, 23:35
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Lee is going to disappear not commit suicide imo after this episode
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Old 02-12-2016, 23:45
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yeah I think they have been doing a really good job too. I just don't want them blaming depression on what Lee did there. Because I've been to lower lows than Lee before with depression, badly needed money, and have never even entertained the idea and never would, of stealing from my family or putting them in harms way. That's Lee as a person that's made this decision and I just hope they address that on the show and make it clear.
It could still be a mental health issue. Perhaps part of PTSD from his war experiences.
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Old 02-12-2016, 23:54
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I agree. I was feeling sorry for Lee in the storyline before this, but this is a huge step over the line. It's completely unacceptable. The only thing he was bothered about was getting Whitney out of there, what about his baby brother? What about the rest of his family who could have ended up getting seriously hurt, or worse? I don't see why he'd be involved at all. Surely his money issues can't be that bad and if it's about keeping truth of his job a secret, then was it really worth it? Even from a mentally ill point of view, having your family (potentially) think less of you surely has to be better than being responsible for any of them getting hurt and causing emotional distress to them.
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Old 02-12-2016, 23:58
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I didn't realise Lee set that up. How did he do it? Was quite intense at the end
No one knows for sure yet, but there were a lot of hints with Lee trying to get Whitney out of there several times before the robbers turned up and he immediately told them that there was money upstairs instead of playing along with Mick. When one of the guys dropped their wallet, Lee picked it up as if he was protecting the guys from being found from identity information in the wallet (driving license, bank cards.)
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Old 03-12-2016, 05:10
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I assume to pay off his debts.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:41
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I agree. I was feeling sorry for Lee in the storyline before this, but this is a huge step over the line. It's completely unacceptable. The only thing he was bothered about was getting Whitney out of there, what about his baby brother? What about the rest of his family who could have ended up getting seriously hurt, or worse? I don't see why he'd be involved at all. Surely his money issues can't be that bad and if it's about keeping truth of his job a secret, then was it really worth it? Even from a mentally ill point of view, having your family (potentially) think less of you surely has to be better than being responsible for any of them getting hurt and causing emotional distress to them.
I don't think it was about Lee trying to protect Whitney. He only wanted her out the way, so he had an excuse not to be around at the time of the robbery. He was only trying to protect himself Wanting time alone with his wife, was a good excuse for Lee trying to avoid witnessing the Robbery. Lee didn't care about Whitney, or his family.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:35
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In our house we're certain that one of the "robbers" was Oz from the call centre - we recognised the voice.

Whitney's the only one who has met Oz so it would make sense for Lee to get her out of the pub - he didn't want her to be able to identify Oz. I suspect that as it is poor Whit'll be too traumatised to be any help to the police.

I don't want to be unsympathetic to people with depression but I'm sick of this storyline now. Lee's problems aren't caused by his depression - although that doesn't help - but because he's lied. He's already stolen the charity money jar. How is that any different from Jay stealing from the funeral home to pay off the dealer who was threatening to beat him up?

Lee was not being pushed by Whitney or his parents to get a City or executive job but he choose not to correct their assumptions. They were proud of him getting a job, that it was a "good" one was a bonus.

Whitney had been happy with her £5 knock-off ear rings for the wedding, remember, and for them to save for a place of their own - she only started pushing for the flat when Lee let her believe he had this flash job with a big salary,
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:12
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The Mirror's got a screen shot up of the credits (which I don't watch) that confirms Oz was one of the robbers.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...entity-9383232
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:15
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Having had time to reflect on this, I do wonder if we're actually seeing Lee going through something even more serious than depression. He seems to be almost completely disconnected with his surroundings at this point. Maybe some residual PTSD that was never recognised when he left the army and has now manifested itself due to the pressures he has on him?

Again, not excusing his actions just wondering if depression is the only condition he's suffering from.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:20
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Having had time to reflect on this, I do wonder if we're actually seeing Lee going through something even more serious than depression. He seems to be almost completely disconnected with his surroundings at this point. Maybe some residual PTSD that was never recognised when he left the army and has now manifested itself due to the pressures he has on him?

Again, not excusing his actions just wondering if depression is the only condition he's suffering from.
My impression too elly. You need to look at the bigger picture here. He suffered a massive trauma when he saw his friend blown to bits and at that point wanted out of the Army. He only went back to please his parents and be the man they wanted him to be.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:41
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My impression too elly. You need to look at the bigger picture here. He suffered a massive trauma when he saw his friend blown to bits and at that point wanted out of the Army. He only went back to please his parents and be the man they wanted him to be.
Very true. The only thing that he seems to be focusing on right now is keeping his marriage going. I suspect that he's convinced himself that if it ends, his life is over. Therefore he's not even thinking about the rest of his family save for 'keeping up appearances' as he knows Whitney is close to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's going through some kind of depersonalisation disorder where he is, to all intents and purposes, functioning adequately but is struggling to relate to the feelings of those around him, apart from maybe Whitney's, and only then on a level of 'If something makes her unhappy she will leave me.'

Of course it might not be as complex as that and he could have simply done this because he's become morally bankrupt but they've told his story pretty responsibly so far and I'd hope they'd continue to do so.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:52
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I don't think EastEnders mean to imply that people with depression would do this kind of thing.

For dramatic purpose, the reprecussions of a character not dealing with their condition will often be exaggerated. In Corrie, Steve McDonald crashed a minibus with some of the Street's ladies on board. Instead of helping them out, he ran away, frozen by fear.

I thought last night Lee was having a similar reaction, however it looked like he was involved somehow. He's a very desperate man.

The story of three of his work colleagues staging the robbery, one of whom has been seen to make Lee's life a misery at work, is a bit odd at first. But something I'm sure will be addressed as the story continues.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:01
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Very true. The only thing that he seems to be focusing on right now is keeping his marriage going. I suspect that he's convinced himself that if it ends, his life is over. Therefore he's not even thinking about the rest of his family save for 'keeping up appearances' as he knows Whitney is close to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's going through some kind of depersonalisation disorder where he is, to all intents and purposes, functioning adequately but is struggling to relate to the feelings of those around him, apart from maybe Whitney's, and only then on a level of 'If something makes her unhappy she will leave me.'

Of course it might not be as complex as that and he could have simply done this because he's become morally bankrupt but they've told his story pretty responsibly so far and I'd hope they'd continue to do so.
We're on the same page. I think at some point, maybe even when he returned reluctantly to the Army, his emotions shut down and he became a detached observer. I've called him cold, which to a point is true, but that's not his previous personality. At some point a switch was flipped and he's suffering some sort of diassasotiation. Whitney keeps him anchored to a point and gives him a sense of reality.

Well if we're wrong we can be wrong together.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:27
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Lee has always been a scum bag. Remember when he used Nancy's illness to steal her job Arranging the burglary beggars belief but I felt strangely even more disgusted with the way he kept trying to usher Whitney out and get them both out of there before it began. What an utter selfish coward

As for his depression, whilst I'm not saying it is easy to get over, surely seeking help and trying to deal with that is the mature and responsible way rather than hiding from it and refusing to take responsibility or some control. Typical Lee though.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:36
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It could still be a mental health issue. Perhaps part of PTSD from his war experiences.
After reading the posts, then the news reports,,,,,,,,,Lee is just a nasty piece of work nothing to do with being a soldier(he shames soldiers) or being depressed(he shames those with the sad disorder)

his silly vanity making him say he has a well paid city job....his stealing previously from his family,,,,( he is just nasty)
Time for Mick to cast him out(after a thumping)
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Old 03-12-2016, 18:25
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One thing I will say about this storyline is that it's good that it's encouraging discussion about mental health.

One thing for me is that until now, I'd been able to semi-excuse his actions. The lies he's told - it's the pressure from the depression and his family's/Whitney's expectations. Stealing Linda's sentimental jewellery and the first lot of money raised for the ward - Mick and Linda would probably have forgiven that if Lee opened up to them about the desperate situation he's in now. But at some point, your better judgement/conscience should step in when you're about to go too far across the line of inexcusable. That's why Jay returned the stolen rings instead of selling them. This is another time. What makes it difficult is that we don't know how this plan came about. Whose idea was it? Was Lee being blackmailed? It had obviously gone further than Lee intended when they attacked Johnny and grabbed Ollie. Was the plan for the burglars to come while everyone was asleep, to make it a 'victimless crime' but Linda being drunk kept them all up longer?

Another interesting thing is whether Johnny will realise Lee's involvement, being that he knows Lee has problems. I very much doubt he'd be very forgiving or understanding, being that he was hurt in the robbery and their baby brother was almost kidnapped, or worse.
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