Christ its getting worse, if they were sick why would any mother leave them, I dont think that was one of your better ideas

You're just awfully judgemental of people's parenting who you don't know, and have no clue about their parenting. It was idiotic to try to call Wayne a bad parent just because his kids didn't fly out to meet him.

No but I though he was desperate to see them, I think Ill put my fairy lights up outside

How old are martins kids?

Does it make a difference.

His kids with Frankie are 2 and a few months and she made the decision not to drag them halfway around the world but to leave them with her parents instead. I don't see a problem with that personally. His older son lived with his ex and if would be her call to whether to take him out of school and allow him to fly to Oz without her.

But obviously the above sensible decisions are enough to prove what a terrible father Wayne must be - desperate isn't it?

Of course it does. Are they of an age where they make their own decisions or not?

Talking of fairies, I think a few posters on here have fairies living at the bottom of their gardens

got all my lights fankled, story of my life, always in a fankle , and just reading about the bully and the bullied have a look


A target of adult bullying is most often chosen because of their strength, not their weakness. Research shows that targets of bullying tend to have highly developed empathy for, and sensitivity of others, a high degree of perceptiveness, high moral values, a well-developed integrity, a strong sense of fair play and reasonableness, a low propensity to violence, a reluctance to pursue grievance, disciplinary or legal action, a strong forgiving streak and a mature understanding of the need to resolve conflict with dialogue. Often, targets of bullying are independent, self-reliant and “different” in some way. Weak people often disingenuously confuse these hallmarks of character with weakness.

Firstly I very much doubt you have been a therapist by your attitude and the fact that you would be a bit more insightful if you had. I wouldn't have wanted to use your services with an attitude like that. Secondly he didn't "invent" the gloating stuff. Danny was gloating with a capital G and you would have to be blind not to see that. It's not about liking or not liking Martin. It's about being venomous about a persons character and then claiming to know this as fact because you have been "a therapist" I see Martin as mildly annoying but harmless and a much nicer person than Larry, odious Danny and sheep Wayne.

IMO they are under 12 as they were shown on the ITV2 show last nigh.t

Ok thank you for answering the question. So they had been taken out of school to fly out there? Nothing wrong with that if it's the parents choice but also nothing wrong with not flying children halfway across the world either.
Neither decision 'proves' that one parent is better than the other as parents make choices regarding their children based on what they think is best for them.

Exactly. Trying to say that Wayne doesn't miss his children, or isn't a good parent, because his kids weren't flown up to meet him, it's just ridiculous.

We're surely not judging Wayne as a parent based on the fact his kids didn't fly out to Oz to meet him. I get people don't like him but to use that to attack him is utterly ridiculous.

As for him going out with his mates, so what? Him & Frankie aren't joined at the hip, couples are allowed to do things separately. I know my husband goes out with his mates as I do mine & I don't ever recall anyone questioning it.

It's grasping at straws.

I was a nursery assistant for pre fives for almost twenty years and saw even young four and five year olds being bullies, they would take other children away from playing saying things like he smells or dont play with him hes bad, is it in the home this all starts, the way children are treated by parents or siblings, but it does start early, I had a cousin who was a bully at school, always picking on slightly younger children but she had such an unhappy childhood with her abusive father that she could easily be forgiven although I had to tick her off numerous times for her bullying.

They are 3 year old and 15 months. I must say I wouldn't relish the prospect of travelling halfway around the world with two kids of that age personally. Leaving them at home with the grandparents seems like by far the better option to me.

Whether the older boy travelled over there would depend on his mother and to a certain extent the school so I don't really think that Wayne would have much input there.

Thanks. I knew they were pre school but was a bit out on their ages
I completely agree and think it's ridiculous to be used to judge Wayne as a bad father

I honestly am gobsmacked by some of the posts here.

You beat me to it I was trying to find the words and there are none for some of these posts

This one, if anything, is even worse.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2190590

There is 8 pages of itI got to page 1 and that was a struggle

Why the need to post other threads on this one? If you both don't like what you read, don't read them. Simple

How can you know you don't like it, if you don't read it?

I did not read them if you mean me I got to page 1 of 8