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Old 03-12-2016, 11:05
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It was early morning and some of them were still asleep. I'm not sure what this thing is about Larry and having people hooked. He was well liked and got on well with them all, including Carol and apart from Martin. I'm not sure what you mean by Carol saw through him.


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Which "Z" listers? An established professional actor and a retired top footballer?
He deliberately chose to say that to Martin at that time. Why, all the other times, would he 'get it all off his chest' in front of the others? Yes I do think he had them hooked; I think hes deeply insecure and an emotional wreck underneath his stern exterior. He showed no emotion during his playback time in the interview. I don't like him because he's a cold fish. Now what part would he have played in the play last night? Where was he in the group hugging session in the bar the other night? He detested Martin from day one because Martin is absolutely right, he felt threatened because he could get Danny on side easily and no I don't think Carol was impressed either..she knew Larry was OTT. Her conversation with Ola in garden alluded to Martin being singled out, which no doubt is why she swayed towards him.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:24
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Martin just gave a delightful, mature, generous assessment in his leaving interview. What a star.
Publicly slandering and denigrating someone's character who wasn't there to defend themselves isn't delightful, mature or generous. It was nasty immature pettiness and shameful. I hope he can back up his claims if it backfires on him.
Assuming that Larry saw him as a threat was risible arrogance. It would seem he hasn't learnt much.
All sadly predictable, along with his professional victim, poor bullied me pitch as he goes back out into the world.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:30
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Publicly slandering and denigrating someone's character who wasn't there to defend themselves isn't delightful, mature or generous. It was nasty immature pettiness and shameful. I hope he can back up his claims if it backfires on him.
Assuming that Larry saw him as a threat was risible arrogance. It would seem he hasn't learnt much.
All sadly predictable, along with his professional victim, poor bullied me pitch as he goes back out into the world.
The evidence that he was bullied and ostracised is all there, captured on film. Only a fool would deny it happened.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:31
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Publicly slandering and denigrating someone's character who wasn't there to defend themselves isn't delightful, mature or generous. It was nasty immature pettiness and shameful. I hope he can back up his claims if it backfires on him.
Assuming that Larry saw him as a threat was risible arrogance. It would seem he hasn't learnt much.
All sadly predictable, along with his professional victim, poor bullied me pitch as he goes back out into the world.
Hang on, Larry carried on his character assassination of Martin in his interview with his usual squinty eyed dismissal of Martin as an irritant so where was Martin to defend himself? Slander? No, opinion the same as Martins opinion of Larry and he had every right to have his say; its just a shame he didn't take the Larry option and tell him where to go in the camp but I guess that's not his style.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:34
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The evidence that he was bullied and ostracised is all there, captured on film. Only a fool would deny it happened.
As is evidenced by the majority in this room seeing it for what it was. I can honestly say I can relate to Martin having been a victim, as have many others, to being excluded when I was younger. I wonder why his detractors are so keen to ignore the evidence? I think I can guess but I'd be accused of libel.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:39
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As is evidenced by the majority in this room seeing it for what it was. I can honestly say I can relate to Martin having been a victim, as have many others, to being excluded when I was younger. I wonder why his detractors are so keen to ignore the evidence? I think I can guess but I'd be accused of libel.
Sadly, I think that often happens in "real life" too - people are not believed. There are different forms of bullying, but a lot of people think it just means physical abuse. Systematic exclusion is also a potent form of bullying, but unfortunately, it's not easily dealt with.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:46
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Carol's description of Martin and Larry in the paper this morning

Martin - Kind, a dedicated father who looks for the good in people. I wish him the very best of everything in life.

Larry - Archetypal grumpy old man and the king of the camp fire.

I think we can take from that who Carol preferred.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:48
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Sadly, I think that often happens in "real life" too - people are not believed. There are different forms of bullying, but a lot of people think it just means physical abuse. Systematic exclusion is also a potent form of bullying, but unfortunately, it's not easily dealt with.
For me, being deliberately excluded is immature and representative of not mentally progressing; it really is like being back in the school playground.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:52
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For me, being deliberately excluded is immature and representative of not mentally progressing; it really is like being back in the school playground.
It's all about lack of empathy or basic compassion. There's something missing in people who can do that to another human being.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:03
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It's all about lack of empathy or basic compassion. There's something missing in people who can do that to another human being.
Yes, the real sign of arrogance is talking downtown other ppl and elevating oneself to a higher plain.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:18
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He deliberately chose to say that to Martin at that time. Why, all the other times, would he 'get it all off his chest' in front of the others? Yes I do think he had them hooked; I think hes deeply insecure and an emotional wreck underneath his stern exterior. He showed no emotion during his playback time in the interview. I don't like him because he's a cold fish. Now what part would he have played in the play last night? Where was he in the group hugging session in the bar the other night? He detested Martin from day one because Martin is absolutely right, he felt threatened because he could get Danny on side easily and no I don't think Carol was impressed either..she knew Larry was OTT. Her conversation with Ola in garden alluded to Martin being singled out, which no doubt is why she swayed towards him.
He did get it off his chest but it was early morning. He showed as much emotion as anyone else during his playback interview and he's shown he's not a cold fish, far from it. Just as he's far from being a deeply insecure emotional wreck.

There isn't any reason at all why Larry would see someone like Martin as a threat?? That's just Martin's immature arrogance and fragile ego compensatory speak.

Just as he irritated the others and obviously the public too, he irritated Larry and he wasn't prepared to have to tip toe around him or tolerate his full on behaviour 24/7 when he was driving him up the wall. Something a lot of older people, including myself, haven't the time or the patience to be bothered with when we've long stopped giving a fig about what anyone thinks about us.

Carol didn't give any indication that she wasn't impressed by Larry and she's spoken highly of him since she left. She didn't give any indication of who she was referring to in the garden with Ola so I can't simply assume it was Larry.
She didn't say or infer anything about Larry picking on him in her interviews. She said they rubbed each other up the wrong way, which of course the eternally martyred Martin could never admit to.

I don't understand what you mean by what part would Larry have played in the play.
Both him and Jordan were missing from the impressions game and the group hug because they'd left earlier than the others.

Never mind Martin said he's now learnt a painful "life lesson" from Larry, that not everyone in the world is going to like him.
Something else which he's very late in life to be learning, but that's our Martin.

One thing's for sure, we will never agree
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:26
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Well the programme has certainly shown to me who I thought I would like and didn't - Larry and Adam.

I also didn't think I would like Carol but shes turned out to be a really nice person.

I liked Martin and still do. Think his leaving speech was lovely.

Didn't like Danny before and still don't.

Lisa, Ola and Jordan came out of it very well.

Wayne - two faced.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:33
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Carol's description of Martin and Larry in the paper this morning

Martin - Kind, a dedicated father who looks for the good in people. I wish him the very best of everything in life.

Larry - Archetypal grumpy old man and the king of the camp fire.

I think we can take from that who Carol preferred.

Can we? Really?
I'm sure she said more flattering things than that about Larry as she's already done, but it is the Sun.
Give them their due, Larry was definitely King of the campfire and he knew how to manage it and he did occasionally have a touch of the glorious Victor Meldrew about him

Poor Carol, I didn't know she'd been so ill.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...or-six-months/
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:45
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Can we? Really?
I'm sure she said more flattering things than that about Larry as she's already done, but it is the Sun.
Give them their due, Larry was definitely King of the campfire and he knew how to manage it and he did occasionally have a touch of the glorious Victor Meldrew about him

Poor Carol, I didn't know she'd been so ill.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...or-six-months/
I loved Larry the first week but I ended up not liking him as I didn't like the way he treated Martin even if he was irritated by him. Carol has generally been supportive of Martin and wouldn't be drawn into slagging him off when she came out.

Sad about what she has been through. Hopefully she is better now and can move on from it.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:53
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Well the programme has certainly shown to me who I thought I would like and didn't - Larry and Adam.

I also didn't think I would like Carol but shes turned out to be a really nice person.

I liked Martin and still do. Think his leaving speech was lovely.

Didn't like Danny before and still don't.

Lisa, Ola and Jordan came out of it very well.

Wayne - two faced.
Agreeing with your post completely.
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:57
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Very true.

Also, I think Adam plays up to the camera quite a lot.
And i think that was who Martin was referring to not Larry
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Old 03-12-2016, 18:03
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Well the programme has certainly shown to me who I thought I would like and didn't - Larry and Adam.

I also didn't think I would like Carol but shes turned out to be a really nice person.

I liked Martin and still do. Think his leaving speech was lovely.

Didn't like Danny before and still don't.

Lisa, Ola and Jordan came out of it very well.

Wayne - two faced.
I agree 100% with your opinions on people
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Old 03-12-2016, 23:37
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wasnt it just, he needs to get back to school.

I think he's too old to enrol now.
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Old 03-12-2016, 23:39
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Can we? Really?
I'm sure she said more flattering things than that about Larry as she's already done, but it is the Sun.
Give them their due, Larry was definitely King of the campfire and he knew how to manage it and he did occasionally have a touch of the glorious Victor Meldrew about him

Poor Carol, I didn't know she'd been so ill.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...or-six-months/

If Victor Meldrew had been as unlikable as Larry, the show wouldn't have been the hit that it was.
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Old 04-12-2016, 00:16
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Can we? Really?
Give them their due, Larry was definitely King of the campfire and he knew how to manage it and he did occasionally have a touch of the glorious Victor Meldrew about him
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...or-six-months/
I LOVED Victor Meldrew and would love to have a neighbour like him (grumpy but with a heart of gold). Larry was NOTHING like Victor.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:30
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Well the programme has certainly shown to me who I thought I would like and didn't - Larry and Adam.

I also didn't think I would like Carol but shes turned out to be a really nice person.

I liked Martin and still do. Think his leaving speech was lovely.

Didn't like Danny before and still don't.

Lisa, Ola and Jordan came out of it very well.

Wayne - two faced.
Completely agree with you. In fact I seem to share your opinions about a lot of things.
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Old 22-12-2016, 07:19
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Martin shouldn't have lasted as long as he did who on earth was voting for the horrible bully to remain in?
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