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Tory Privatisation Of Network Rail Track
The Telegraph are reporting that the Tories are going to re privatise network rail tracks so the train operating companies can do the repairs, advantages are that they will repair more quickly and fares will "possibly be cheaper".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-train-tracks/ Personally I think its a terrible idea, imagine Southern Rail and Virgin Trains looking after their lines tracks. They can't even deal with what they have now! SWTrains is the only line I've used on a semi regular basis which seems to run ok. Southern and East Coast should be nationalised. |
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Southern is pretty much nationalised, and look at the problems because the DfT is imposing changes to make all trains DOO!
And I don't think Stagecoach is doing much wrong on the east coast is it? |
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Southern is pretty much nationalised, and look at the problems because the DfT is imposing changes to make all trains DOO!
And I don't think Stagecoach is doing much wrong on the east coast is it? |
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Not legal while we remain in the single market, train and track must be separate.
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The prices are going up in January, it's already been announced- Quote:
Train fares in Britain will go up by an average of 2.3% from 2 January, the rail industry has announced.
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And I don't think Stagecoach is doing much wrong on the east coast is it?
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Obviously they didn't learn from Railtrack.
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Disgraceful Tories. When will they learn that selling off the family silver is a bad idea? They should be nationalising them not selling them off.
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Disgraceful Tories. When will they learn that selling off the family silver is a bad idea? They should be nationalising them not selling them off.
oh......hang on......the rail tracks are nailed down.........
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Disgraceful Tories. When will they learn that selling off the family silver is a bad idea? They should be nationalising them not selling them off.
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Also illegal under EU law.
Let's hope Brexiteers don't blame the EU and immigrants when their trains don't turn up. |
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The main reason railtrack got nationalised is they repeatedly killed people. For those who have forgotten.
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The main reason railtrack got nationalised is they repeatedly killed people. For those who have forgotten.
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Is it? How come?
Let's hope Brexiteers don't blame the EU and immigrants when their trains don't turn up. |
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The main reason railtrack got nationalised is they repeatedly killed people. For those who have forgotten.
The current problems are caused by limited scope to put fares up more, to pay for even more investment, disruption while investment occurs, and the Corbynites in the RMT sirring up as much trouble as they can, for their own political reasons. |
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Yay, then we can have another Ladbroke Grove, Hatfield or Potters Bar. Because it worked so well under private hands last time.
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It's good news
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The Telegraph are reporting that the Tories are going to re privatise network rail tracks so the train operating companies can do the repairs, advantages are that they will repair more quickly and fares will "possibly be cheaper".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-train-tracks/ Personally I think its a terrible idea, imagine Southern Rail and Virgin Trains looking after their lines tracks. They can't even deal with what they have now! SWTrains is the only line I've used on a semi regular basis which seems to run ok. Southern and East Coast should be nationalised. |
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It's pretty much more Virgin than Stagecoach, and fares are much more expensive now than they were before.
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Yay, then we can have another Ladbroke Grove, Hatfield or Potters Bar. Because it worked so well under private hands last time.
British Rail appeared to have been extremely bad at keeping up to date records on maintenance, assets and so on. When people left, the knowledge left. If you ask me that played a huge part in a number of problems too. It's really not as clear cut as some would like to think just to make a political point. For the record though, I think this idea is silly and unworkable. Especially when many new franchises are actually management contracts. So we get the train side being virtually nationalised and the infrastructure side privatised. Best to leave things as they are IMO. |
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The main reason railtrack got nationalised is they repeatedly killed people. For those who have forgotten.
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The main reason is they needed massive investment, and the government couldn't pay for that . It had been put off, for 30 years, under nationalisation. . If people want better trains, more of them, and fewer bottlenecks, - they are going to have to pay for it one way or another - and it makes sense if the people who use the trains pay - not those who don't..
The current problems are caused by limited scope to put fares up more, to pay for even more investment, disruption while investment occurs, and the Corbynites in the RMT sirring up as much trouble as they can, for their own political reasons. |
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It appears to be about transferring responsibility for track maintenance to the TOCs which isn't privatising anything unless it transfers ownership of the tracks.
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I agree the RMT are a bit of a nightmare but I can't recall a strike on SWTrains for years so maybe the individual companies are partly the blame?
Most recently for Southern, we've had the normally quite reasonable Aslef arguing that trains are unsafe without a guard despite the exact same train being used on other routes without a guard - and never having had one. I appreciate they are really trying to save jobs, but the safety argument doesn't make sense as they're not refusing to let members take out the exact same rolling stock for use on Thameslink because they're unsafe... |
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A lot depends on what exactly Grayling means by this and how its implemented. If he's talking about what railway commentators call "vertical integration" where the company that runs the trains in an area is also responsible for the infrastructure, there is an argument that it would be more efficient. This report only talks about track maintainance. Its also not been released yet so we've only got bits of the story.
I do wish the media would stick to reporting what has happened, rather than what someone that someone else spoke to thinks might happen. |
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It appears to be about transferring responsibility for track maintenance to the TOCs which isn't privatising anything unless it transfers ownership of the tracks.
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