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I don't think Trump is even trying to be provocative. He clearly has zero interest in foreign affairs or international relations (he barely even mentioned the subject once during his speech the other evening).
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According to The Guardian, John Bolton is behind the call. Where Bolton goes, war usually follows. The USA won't go to war with China, but there'll be something bad happening out in Orient soon.
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For years the West had been quite happy to help China become the worlds workshop and factory, and buy their cheap stuff. Now China is flexing its Communist muscles and playing on Trump's inexperience. This could end very nastily unless cool heads prevail. It would not take much to provoke China-supporting North Korea to attack the South, and then the balloon would go up, and China might well have a go at Taiwan. And if Putin then made a move in the Baltic our tin-pot little forces would be very finely stretched. It doesn't bear thinking about. No more flat-screen tellies from China, or gas and coal from Russia. We would be deep in the dudu. Let's hope Mrs May keeps our lumbering Foreign Secretary out of sight.
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For years the West had been quite happy to help China become the worlds workshop and factory, and buy their cheap stuff. Now China is flexing its Communist muscles and playing on Trump's inexperience. This could end very nastily unless cool heads prevail. It would not take much to provoke China-supporting North Korea to attack the South, and then the balloon would go up, and China might well have a go at Taiwan. And if Putin then made a move in the Baltic our tin-pot little forces would be very finely stretched. It doesn't bear thinking about. No more flat-screen tellies from China, or gas and coal from Russia. We would be deep in the dudu. Let's hope Mrs May keeps our lumbering Foreign Secretary out of sight.
![]() One thing needs to made clear, The USA is capable of fighting and defeating china and russia at the same time. Russia does not have the logistics to fight a prolonged european war and china does not as yet have the will power to directly fight the USA. |
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Wonder if Trump will get to build a luxury hotel as part of Taiwan's Aerotropolis project.
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For years the West had been quite happy to help China become the worlds workshop and factory, and buy their cheap stuff. Now China is flexing its Communist muscles and playing on Trump's inexperience. This could end very nastily unless cool heads prevail. It would not take much to provoke China-supporting North Korea to attack the South, and then the balloon would go up, and China might well have a go at Taiwan. And if Putin then made a move in the Baltic our tin-pot little forces would be very finely stretched. It doesn't bear thinking about. No more flat-screen tellies from China, or gas and coal from Russia. We would be deep in the dudu. Let's hope Mrs May keeps our lumbering Foreign Secretary out of sight.
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China doesn't take kindly to being told what to do. And the US no longer has the capability to win a conventional or nuclear confrontation with China.
The aim of US policy is to prevent an invasion of Taiwan by reducing tensions. - because that invasion would now end in success , and /or sinking US carriers. |
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China doesn't take kindly to being told what to do. And the US no longer has the capability to win a conventional or nuclear confrontation with China.
. China's nuclear arsenal and delivery capability is a tiny fraction of the USA's. On conventional weapons and military budgets, take the worlds military superpowers. China Russia United Kingdom India France Japan Germany South Korea Brazil Australia Italy Iraq Israel The USA's military budget is the larger................................................................... of them all added together!! China's manpower won't exactly cut the mustard against modern sophisticated weaponry. The USA sends some of its fleet into the waters near to China and Taiwan every two years to conduct exercises, just as a little reminder to China who has the real power. Maggie |
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American Military bases surround russia and china and the western msm claim Putin is the aggressive one lol.
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They will make him pay one way or another
Trump is a very foolish man and he ought to be careful about using twitter to insult other nations. While he may have a valid point about Taiwan, he is going about it the wrong way. |
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China will respond by stopping sending iphones to the US. Apple will respond by building a new factory to make stuff in America and promise to pay tax.
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It seems the call was made from Taiwan to Trump not the other way round as the thread title suggests.
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Wonder if Trump will get to build a luxury hotel as part of Taiwan's Aerotropolis project.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...opment-inquiry Weeks before President-elect Donald Trump’s controversial phone call with Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, a businesswoman claiming to be associated with his conglomerate made inquiries about a major investment in building luxury hotels as part of the island’s new airport development. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...s-pre-arranged The historic phone call between the President-elect Donald Trump and the Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen was prearranged, according to a Taiwanese official. "Maintaining good relations with the United States is as important as maintaining good relations across the Taiwan Strait," Taiwanese presidential spokesman Alex Huang told NBC News. |
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For once im on Trumps side, i support Taiwan and think China are way too controlling on issues like this. If Trump intends to stand up to China over the way they bully Taiwan and Hong Kong into submission then i support him on this one issue.
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Good. It's about time somebody stood up to the Chinese.
I hope he takes a similar attitude to the Gulf states too. It's time the "civilised" west washed it's hands of dictatorships and despots around the globe. |
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It seems the call was made from Taiwan to Trump not the other way round as the thread title suggests.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b017f37fe4bcae Quote:
But the Taipei Times reported the call was arranged by Trump’s “Taiwan-friendly campaign staff after his aides briefed him on issues regarding Taiwan and the situation in the Taiwan Strait.”
Given Trumps ability to stretch the truth when it suits him I certainly would take Trumps twitter account with a grain of a salt.
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Good. It's about time somebody stood up to the Chinese.
I hope he takes a similar attitude to the Gulf states too. It's time the "civilised" west washed it's hands of dictatorships and despots around the globe. America is energy independent and trump has said he wishes to pull out simply because they can no longer afford to defend the gulf. |
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American Military bases surround russia and china and the western msm claim Putin is the aggressive one lol.
imagine if russia began building bases in cuba or mexico |
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because its called diplomacy
china still considers taiwan to be part of china and that has been the official US policy for 40 years taiwan has just elected a party that wants to push for full independent status, say they do actually push for that now because the US president has recognised them by default china wont let that happen and take military action, do the US then have to intervene on taiwan's side ? Imagine if he came out and said the Falkland Islands are the right of Argentina! don't be surprised if he does. |
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American Military bases surround russia and china and the western msm claim Putin is the aggressive one lol.
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Wonder if Trump will get to build a luxury hotel as part of Taiwan's Aerotropolis project.
All North Korea has to do is say they want to open a trump hotel in NK and trump will be on the phone in a flash |
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Trump's Taiwan call exposes his inexperience, China state media say
They really know how to get at trump - say he isn't the bestiest at something |
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Trump's Taiwan call exposes his inexperience, China state media say
They really know how to get at trump - say he isn't the bestiest at something |
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People hate Trump so much even if he did something really good people would still say it's a disaster.
He called a dictator a dictator and the people wailed!!!! He took a phone call from a democracy and the people wailed!!!! wailed!!!! it's mental. |
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Trump getting into a war of words on Twitter with the Chinese in the last few minutes :
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38149157969924 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...39770864693253 This is certainly a novel way to conduct international diplomacy ![]()
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because its called diplomacy
china still considers taiwan to be part of china and that has been the official US policy for 40 years taiwan has just elected a party that wants to push for full independent status, say they do actually push for that now because the US president has recognised them by default china wont let that happen and take military action, do the US then have to intervene on taiwan's side ? What goes on between China and Taiwan is their business. It sounds like Taiwan wants to be independent so China will have to accept that unless they want to be aggressive. Meanwhile, Trump wants to trade with both countries with no pathetic 40-year diplomacy red tape getting in the way. |
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