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There has been at least a dozen polls that show huge shifts towards remaining in the EU since the referendum. I don't have links offhand, but I know I'm right.
I will be reminding you every day untill you provide them - that's every single day aurichie and I'm expecting at least 12
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Why should we get a referendum on which brexit path we should take when the eu has got to decide that and not parliament?
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Neither did they vote for remain. . |
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The polls show a significant majority now want to stay in the EU. Also remember a majority of eligible voters did not vote for brexit.
Polling should be discontinued as a discredited industry. Ask Hillary Clinton what she thinks about them. |
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Not necessarily, it depends on the question.
We have already established (via the last referendum) that the British people want to leave the EU. So surely any new question proposed by a referendum should be something like this : Do you accept the new terms (whatever they may be) proposed by parliament Or Do you want to leave the EU in its entirety and trade on WTO tariffs Any referendum offering a new deal or stay in the EU would be an attempt to subvert democracy and would leave the county in total dissary. I should add, I don't think there should be a referendum of any kind, I'm happy for the government to try and get the best deal possible. |
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The polls showed a majority for remaining in the EU BEFORE the 23rd June.
Polling should be discontinued as a discredited industry. Ask Hillary Clinton what she thinks about them. What a farce polls are. |
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Not necessarily, it depends on the question.
We have already established (via the last referendum) that the British people want to leave the EU. So surely any new question proposed by a referendum should be something like this : Do you accept the new terms (whatever they may be) proposed by parliament Or Do you want to leave the EU in its entirety and trade on WTO tariffs Any referendum offering a new deal or stay in the EU would be an attempt to subvert democracy and would leave the county in total dissary. I should add, I don't think there should be a referendum of any kind, I'm happy for the government to try and get the best deal possible. |
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Andrew Neil is like a dog with a bone. He gives both pro and anti Brexiteers a hard time.
Where I disagree with him is his oft stated assertion that both sides of the referendum campaign said we would have to leave the single market if we left the EU. There were plenty on the Leave side who suggested that the EU were bound to let us stay in the single market but without freedom of movement. |
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The polls show a significant majority now want to stay in the EU. Also remember a majority of eligible voters did not vote for brexit.
Are you sure, 51% to stay 49% to leave sounds like a slimmer majority in the referendum Are yohttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.htmlu |
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Heartley-Brewer takes Olney to task in this interview and gets cut off by Olneys PR officer.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/739...Hartley-Brewer It's funny when questioned democracy is a two way street and the liberals don't like it. This is exactly how our democratic system reduces the tyranny of the majority, and extreme brexit ideologues, of which JHB is and always has been, find this a bit scary |
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I will in an hour.
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'taps fingers on table' waiting....
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Is that for the post or news that eurichie has finally left the country as per he said he would following a vote to leave?
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Ho hum...
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This is actually democracy in action, and the Lib Dems are using exactly the same tactic as UKIP did to force a referendum in the first place. The Conservatives know full well how fragile their majority is, and if they're going to lose all of their Remain majority constituencies to the Lib Dems, they've got problems. This will force them to have a rethink about their approach to the EU, and water things down
This is exactly how our democratic system reduces the tyranny of the majority, and extreme brexit ideologues, of which JHB is and always has been, find this a bit scary Early election - Sitting Labour MP's who will lose their seats either due to UKIP or poor ratings of Labour under JC Later election - with the new boundaries in place - Lot of MP's will lose their safe seats so no desire to have an election one second earlier than they have to. This was one by election - I recall Peter Snow once saying that when they extrpolated one shock by-election result in the '80's, the only Tory MP left would have been Norman Fowler. The only thing everyone can agree about this result is..... Zac Goldsmith screwed up !! |
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I will in an hour.
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Any time now aurichie.
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There has been at least a dozen polls that show huge shifts towards remaining in the EU since the referendum. I don't have links offhand, but I know I'm right.
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That's a long hour. I'd like to see these polls too cos the last one, on 23rd June was OUT.
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Here's a quick poll.
A.aurichie has no polls to show. Or B.aurichie has no polls to show. |
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I have no doubt another referendum would give a far stronger majority in favour of leaving.
Now we know the only people who want to stay are the metropolitan elite, the il-liberal Anti-Democrats, their immigrant poodles, and their stooge judges. And we also know the claims of Armageddon by Cameron, Osborne and Fred Karney, and all the other experts were just so much guff, so their scare tactics won't work. Roll on the day the unwanted Europeans can go back home. Theresa should get her finger out and send the letter signing A50 without requesting any approval. |
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The polls show a significant majority now want to stay in the EU. Also remember a majority of eligible voters did not vote for brexit.
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This is actually democracy in action, and the Lib Dems are using exactly the same tactic as UKIP did to force a referendum in the first place. The Conservatives know full well how fragile their majority is, and if they're going to lose all of their Remain majority constituencies to the Lib Dems, they've got problems. This will force them to have a rethink about their approach to the EU, and water things down
This is exactly how our democratic system reduces the tyranny of the majority, and extreme brexit ideologues, of which JHB is and always has been, find this a bit scary Oh bless you, even if the Tories lost some of their seats to a remain campaign from the LibDems, they would hoover up seats in the North where brexit support is more entrenched ![]() Doesn't matter what the polls say right now, the Tories are the most popular party in England right now, the Liberals are not, and their tactics they are employing right now will be seen as anti-democratic. You do understand should the May force an early election, the Tories would win by a landslide? See I used to dislike Corbyn the most of all political leaders, however that man has a sense of duty and honour to respect the result of 23rd June. They have said they won't frustrate a motion or bill invoking article 50. Now its Tim Farron. Parliament should of course have a say and be able to scrutinise the outcomes of any negotiations. It maybe the case that Westminster needs a vote on the final treaty, however they won't be able to stop us leaving the EU. |
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I cannot stand Neil, never could
Election tomorrow I would LibDem to stay in the EU but I prefer Clegg. Farron is a bigot with his religious views against same sex marriage. Not very liberal or democratic |
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Nothing strange about it, liberals are proposing another referendum on the terms of the exit......if we don't like them w stay as we are.....which completely goes against the first referendum. Heartley-Brewer makes the point that Olney had less than 50% of the vote, Richmond Park should be allowed a second election to validate that result.
It's all or nothing with democracy you can't have anything in between.
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The wind is with them. I thought Farron was taking spectacular risks in the aftermath of the referendum with his views and vowing to fight on. But it appears he's onto a winner and even I would vote for a lib dem if they stood against our brexiteer Tory MP on a remain in the EU message. I have voted conservative my entire life, but I would sacrifice that badge of honour in a heartbeat if it helps stop brexit.
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So Olney can vote against article 50 as the by-election gives her a mandate but the referendum vote apparently doesn't give a mandate to vote for it. Perhaps the other 8 Lib Dem MPs should resign and trigger by-elections to find out if their constituents feel the same.
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So how do you frame the question?
If people reject the deal does that mean the status quo prevails and we stay in the EU or does it mean people think the deal is too soft. Because remainers may vote against to keep us in the EU and leavers may do so as they think the deal means we aren't really leaving at all. So if we reject the deal in a second referendum what does that mean? We voted to leave the EU and it's now for parliament and the government to deliver on a deal. Quote:
The polls showed a majority for remaining in the EU BEFORE the 23rd June.
Polling should be discontinued as a discredited industry. Ask Hillary Clinton what she thinks about them. Quote:
Are you sure, 51% to stay 49% to leave sounds like a slimmer majority in the referendum
Are yohttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.htmlu |
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