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Is double speed EE/BT capped speed or do you actually get more spectrum |
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Is double speed EE/BT capped speed or do you actually get more spectrum
Does double speed allow you access to more spectrum or on single speed do you get access but your speed is capped to 30mbps?
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The reason I ask is because my speeds have only improved in areas where I hit the 30mbps cap.
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My phone reports LTE CA ("4G+") in some places even though I'm on "single speed" BT Mobile.
I suspect it's just a traffic shaping policy imposed in the core network. That would be a more efficient way to do it. |
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Does double speed allow you access to more spectrum or on single speed do you get access but your speed is capped to 30mbps?
This is why many people think the new (BT inspired?) price plans from EE that sell by speed are complete garbage, and open EE up to sale of goods act lawsuits for selling product that cannot be delivered. |
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It's a speed cap product on the EE accounts for example. You'll still connect to CA or a double speed site but the plan you're on may have a speed cap product on it to slow it down.
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It's a speed cap product on the EE accounts for example. You'll still connect to CA or a double speed site but the plan you're on may have a speed cap product on it to slow it down.
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EE is unique in the mobile industry with this double speed thing.
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The speed caps only apply in the UK anyway...
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Just out of interest, is RootMetrics subject to these speed caps? Allowing full speed for tests would boost EE's average speed results..
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Probably because the other networks can't give a consistent enough high speed to make having such a system work
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Just out of interest, is RootMetrics subject to these speed caps? Allowing full speed for tests would boost EE's average speed results..
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It's weird because the mast near my house the speed test is ALWAYS exactly 30mbps. Never less and never more.
It's like that one mast has a 30mbps cap. Where as other masts I can be as much as 60 but usually fluctuates below. |
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The system doesn't work very well here unfortunately.
http://i.imgur.com/BdyqZET.png
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How does your one speed test prove a national system used by millions of subscribers doesn't work?
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Just out of interest, is RootMetrics subject to these speed caps? Allowing full speed for tests would boost EE's average speed results..
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It's weird because the mast near my house the speed test is ALWAYS exactly 30mbps. Never less and never more.
I assume this is down to backhaul delays. It can take AGES to get new/larger capacity backhaul installed. |
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It's weird because the mast near my house the speed test is ALWAYS exactly 30mbps. Never less and never more.
It's like that one mast has a 30mbps cap. Where as other masts I can be as much as 60 but usually fluctuates below. |
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It's weird because the mast near my house the speed test is ALWAYS exactly 30mbps. Never less and never more.
It's like that one mast has a 30mbps cap. Where as other masts I can be as much as 60 but usually fluctuates below. I think it's due to old microwave links not being fast enough and waiting for upgrading. There can be a MW chain too so they cap the speed per site to stop that site taking all the bandwidth. |
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Some sites with legacy backhaul are limited to 30Mbps.
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If you re-read the post I think you'll find that he never said it proves that "a national system used by millions of subscribers doesn't work", he just said "the system doesn't work very well here" so unless 'here'='national' for you I can't see where you're coming from...
He could have redone that test 5 minutes later and got a different result, he could have used a different handset and got a different result, he could have done a hundred things differently and got a different result, His comment and test prove the square root of nothing when trying to decide the good or bad of the capping system by EE. |
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Does single speed 4G mean that EE only make use of 10Mhz of spectrum? Or do these labels have to do with backhaul?
And 4G+ is LTE-CA, right? |
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Does single speed 4G mean that EE only make use of 10Mhz of spectrum? Or do these labels have to do with backhaul?
And 4G+ is LTE-CA, right? 4G+ does indeed indicate CA |
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Used to be amount of spectrum, now it's generally backhaul related. Don't know any masts that broadcast a 10MHz carrier.
4G+ does indeed indicate CA On a similar note I'm intrigued why EE chose to implement 3CA by using two 2600 blocks. Wouldn't 4G+ have wider coverage if they had taken away the 15Mhz from their ample 1800 spectrum? |
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Ok that makes sense, would be surprised why EE would choose to broadcast at 10Mhz voluntarily.
On a similar note I'm intrigued why EE chose to implement 3CA by using two 2600 blocks. Wouldn't 4G+ have wider coverage if they had taken away the 15Mhz from their ample 1800 spectrum? |
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I think you'll find it means absolutely nothing, it doesn't even mean anything about the spot where he's standing at that second on that day.
He could have redone that test 5 minutes later and got a different result, he could have used a different handset and got a different result, he could have done a hundred things differently and got a different result, His comment and test prove the square root of nothing when trying to decide the good or bad of the capping system by EE. Having said that, I still don't really agree with the capping system if you can't guarantee the speeds. Especially for the 60Mbps+ plans where most of the time you're going to be getting under 60Mbps. |
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