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Old 03-12-2016, 11:12
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This result was not the one that should have happened. We need to have another by-election and then hopefully we'll get the result we wanted. There has been a rise in hate crime since Sarah Olney was elected. A future without Zac Goldsmith will be an absolute disaster for our country. There is already a petition underway for a second by-election. This one was only advisory!
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:21
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Relax it's okay, the fixed term parliament act guarantees you another say in 2020
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:26
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I agree - the victory margin was less than 4 per cent.

Maybe people didn't know what they were voting for - so we need to have another vote to double check.

Maybe the Lib Dems made promises they won't keep - I think we have been there before! So we need a second vote.

Maybe both sides misled people so people were confused and made the wrong choice? So we need to double check people really meant to elect a Lib Dem MP.

It was cold and dark - maybe it wasn't fair and people were put off voting by the weather. It just wasn't fair.

All nonsense of course but it sums up the Lib Dems ridiculous position on Brexit and having a second vote - as this interview with the winning candidate shows.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...brexit-re-run/
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:26
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This result was not the one that should have happened. We need to have another by-election and then hopefully we'll get the result we wanted. There has been a rise in hate crime since Sarah Olney was elected. A future without Zac Goldsmith will be an absolute disaster for our country. There is already a petition underway for a second by-election. This one was only advisory!
Deal. We'll schedule it in for 7th May 2020.

By the way - you won't be residing in Richmond then either

Relax it's okay, the fixed term parliament act guarantees you another say in 2020
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:32
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Deal. We'll schedule it in for 7th May 2020.

By the way - you won't be residing in Richmond then either



Given the media reaction I assumed Richmond park covered the entire UK and we had all now changed our mind and back remain?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:34
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There are a lot of old people in Richmond - 13.5% are over 65 and the borough has higher than UK average of over 90s. Now, I'm not saying they are all "less well educated", just probably senile, and quite clearly lots of these elderly Lib Dem Remainers should be dead/ not allowed to vote, so I don't see how/ why we should wait until 2020.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:37
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There's no point in any future elections in Richmond, they're all Lib Dems now. It's the will of the people. Shops will only be allowed to sell organic yoghurt and sandals. Anyone caught questioning it or not wringing their hands in a suitably liberal way will be labelled Right Whingers.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:39
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so I don't see how/ why we should wait until 2020.
It's just more cost effective. They can roll it up with the vote on rejoining the EU
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:41
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There's no point in any future elections in Richmond, they're all Lib Dems now.
Is that the new name for Champaign Socialists?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:43
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It's just more cost effective. They can roll it up with the vote on rejoining the EU
Wen May loses the next GE, there will be a lot of things to discuss regarding our relationship with the EU.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:45
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Given the media reaction I assumed Richmond park covered the entire UK and we had all now changed our mind and back remain?
You're wrong it doesn't and nobody said it does.

Neither of which lessens the impact of this stunning by election victory by the Lib Dems.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:46
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Wen May loses the next GE, there will be a lot of things to discuss regarding our relationship with the EU.
The big story about Richmond is Labour's vote down by 8% and the candidate losing his deposit
First time since 1909 apparently.

Which party is going to put up a serious challenge to the Conservatives for the next government?
Certainly not Labour
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:49
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Wen May loses the next GE, there will be a lot of things to discuss regarding our relationship with the EU.
We are mid term and she has a lead of 14 per cent plus in the polls.

Do you really think the country is going to elect Corbyn and Farron to run the country backed by the SNP dictating terms?

We might as well turn out the lights if that happens.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:52
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The big story about Richmond is Labour's vote down by 8% and the candidate losing his deposit
First time since 1909 apparently.

Which party is going to put up a serious challenge to the Conservatives for the next government?
Certainly not Labour
There is still a long time until 2020, anything can happen before then. I can see May being deeply unpopular by then, and if any opposition can get its act together, the Tories will be decimated.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:54
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I am so outraged by this result that I will be moving out in disgust.



Though obviously not until after I've moved there so I can do that.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:57
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Don't forget the deer in the park didn't even get a vote.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:59
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I agree - the victory margin was less than 4 per cent.

Maybe people didn't know what they were voting for
Your problem is they did.

Unless you can point out where Olney promised a non existent 350m for the NHS then withdrew that the very next day.

Tell you what, you can have one anyway in 2020, can't say fairer than that. Now, when can we have our second vote?
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:00
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The big story about Richmond is Labour's vote down by 8% and the candidate losing his deposit
First time since 1909 apparently.

Which party is going to put up a serious challenge to the Conservatives for the next government?
Certainly not Labour
Labour losing deposits is nothing unusual. They lost their deposit in the Christchurch by election in 1993 - four years later they won a landslide nationally.

Richmond is terribly socially liberal and caring sharing - as long as they don't have to pay more taxes to actually help the poor they claim to care about!
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:02
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The big story about Richmond is Labour's vote down by 8% and the candidate losing his deposit
First time since 1909 apparently.

Which party is going to put up a serious challenge to the Conservatives for the next government?
Certainly not Labour
No, the big story is Richmond voters put aside their own immediate best interests in voting against Heathrow expansion to reject Brexit in the wider interest.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:03
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Labour losing deposits is nothing unusual. They lost their deposit in the Christchurch by election in 1993 - four years later they won a landslide nationally.

Richmond is terribly socially liberal and caring sharing - as long as they don't have to pay more taxes to actually help the poor they claim to care about!
Where do you get that bit from?
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:30
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I like the Dems but this thread makes a very pertinent point in a rather amusing way.

In a democracy we don't get to pick and choose the results we accept.

As for Zac? LOL hubris strikes again.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:38
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I like the Dems but this thread makes a very pertinent point in a rather amusing way.

In a democracy we don't get to pick and choose the results we accept.

As for Zac? LOL hubris strikes again.
The point is you'll get another vote. In 4 years.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:48
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I think what we can say from this is that Richmond voters would love a third runway, and a fourth, fifth and sixth.

Also probably that they would like to see Zac Goldsmith sent to Russia and for Santa to become the King of England.


There is much we can determine from this single by-election in a part of the world so rich even the servants voted for Remain.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:51
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There are a lot of old people in Richmond - 13.5% are over 65 and the borough has higher than UK average of over 90s. Now, I'm not saying they are all "less well educated", just probably senile, and quite clearly lots of these elderly Lib Dem Remainers should be dead/ not allowed to vote, so I don't see how/ why we should wait until 2020.


Also it wasn't much of a majority if you use Ash_M1's arithmetic and calculator so quite frankly Sarah Olney didn't actually win so I am going to ignore it and consider the Richmond Park MP is still Zac Goldsmith.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:51
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Your problem is they did.

Unless you can point out where Olney promised a non existent 350m for the NHS then withdrew that the very next day.

Tell you what, you can have one anyway in 2020, can't say fairer than that. Now, when can we have our second vote?
I think you miss the intended irony of this entire thread.

I am sure the people of Richmond Park with their mostly safe and very comfortable and privileged lives knew what they were voting for on Thursday.

The issue is the Lib Dems are calling for a second referendum because they claim the rest of us didn't know what we were voting for on 23 June.

This thread is intended to expose the Lib Dems double standards - they only seem to agree with democracy when they get the result they want. And close elections should only be re run when they don't win them.
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