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Old 05-12-2016, 10:52
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Olney may be opposed to a third runway but voting for her over Zac, who'd explicitly run on an anti 3rd runway ticket sends a message that they are more worried about opposing Brexit than the third runway.

If you want to think that Richmond is somehow magically different to the rest of the country, go right ahead.
Traditional Lib Dem constituency votes in another one after a few years gap in an unusual (unique?) vote with no Conservative candidate even standing. Yes, that means so much, especially when by Remainer logic the swing to LibDem, if it was all about Brexit, was way lower than the referendum percentages. Also by Remainer logic, the people who were so close in 2nd have to be taken into consideration in any further Lib Dem action as it's only fair to the losers.
Desperate.
Or, as has been mentioned elsewhere, how refreshing to see the Austrian and Italian losing sides accept defeat in a gracious manner.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:13
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Precisely, the country as a whole voted for leave yet Richmond voted remain, by about 70% if I remember correctly, soit can't be considered as being the same as the country as a whole.
Unless the by election as magically turned it into an analogue for the country as a whole.
Though looking at the by election result it is actually a 'no change'.
I never said it was the same as the country as a whole, nowhere is.
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:15
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I never said it was the same as the country as a whole, nowhere is.
So what did you mean when you said, "If you want to think that Richmond is somehow magically different to the rest of the country, go right ahead.".
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:21
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So what did you mean when you said, "If you want to think that Richmond is somehow magically different to the rest of the country, go right ahead.".
I meant that you can't split the UK into "Richmond" and "the rest" as if all rest has more in common with itself and little in common with Richmond. Plenty of other places voted remain
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Old 05-12-2016, 14:35
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I meant that you can't split the UK into "Richmond" and "the rest" as if all rest has more in common with itself and little in common with Richmond. Plenty of other places voted remain
But nor can you claim that Richmond is some sort of analogue for the rest of the country, by which I mean that the fact that Richmond voted for an anti brexit candidate cannot be used to claim that the rest of the country is moving in a anti brexit direction.
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Old 05-12-2016, 17:07
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But nor can you claim that Richmond is some sort of analogue for the rest of the country, by which I mean that the fact that Richmond voted for an anti brexit candidate cannot be used to claim that the rest of the country is moving in a anti brexit direction.
As I never made that claim I fail to see the point of this conversation.
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Old 05-12-2016, 20:05
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So what did you mean when you said, "If you want to think that Richmond is somehow magically different to the rest of the country, go right ahead.".
It is - unless you think everyone in the UK lives in £1.5m houses!
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:05
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As I never made that claim I fail to see the point of this conversation.
Okay so you never explicitly made that claim, I'll accept that.
So, do you think the Richmond by election result represents a shift away from brexit?
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:05
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Okay so you never explicitly made that claim, I'll accept that.
So, do you think the Richmond by election result represents a shift away from brexit?
I've not looked at the figures closely enough to see if it looks like Brexiters have shifted. But it certainly shows how important Remainers think the issue is.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:11
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Interesting story.

http://order-order.com/2016/12/06/gr...tand-richmond/

Did the Greens get given £250,000 by a rich pro remain donor on condition they stand down in Richmond and support the Lib Dems? The local party seems to think so as the order seemingly came from party HQ.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:31
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I've not looked at the figures closely enough to see if it looks like Brexiters have shifted. But it certainly shows how important Remainers think the issue is.
Not really, the Richmond electorate simply shifted their allegiance to a candidate whos views better matched their own.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:36
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Interesting story.

http://order-order.com/2016/12/06/gr...tand-richmond/

Did the Greens get given £250,000 by a rich pro remain donor on condition they stand down in Richmond and support the Lib Dems? The local party seems to think so as the order seemingly came from party HQ.
The Greens totally deny it and say no payment was offered and none paid.

I wonder if UKIP got a bung for not standing.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:36
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I've not looked at the figures closely enough to see if it looks like Brexiters have shifted. But it certainly shows how important Remainers think the issue is.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:41
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Not really, the Richmond electorate simply shifted their allegiance to a candidate whos views better matched their own.
Remain won 70 per cent in June there. Zac Goldmsith was pro Brexit won 45 per cent.

So if People were just voting on Brexit then has been a 13 per cent swing to leave since June in Richmond park.
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Old 06-12-2016, 13:45
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On the basis that she was only there to oppose Brexit there should be another election after Article 50 is invoked.
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Old 06-12-2016, 14:02
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On the basis that she was only there to oppose Brexit there should be another election after Article 50 is invoked.
Yes - we really do need to be certain what the people of Richmond park meant by their vote last Thursday.

Sarah Olney has departed for Westminster but we are unclear what her destination is. There was no clear road map either - did she take the district line or did she take a detour via Waterloo where Napoleon did surrender.

We really do need to double check again as you say because her manifesto was so unclear she couldn't even explain it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 15:05
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The Greens totally deny it and say no payment was offered and none paid.

I wonder if UKIP got a bung for not standing.
As someone once said "they would say that wouldn't they".

Maybe UKIP also had an offer. I don't know.
The question is who was making the offers?
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:57
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Not really, the Richmond electorate simply shifted their allegiance to a candidate whos views better matched their own.
...on this issue, showing how important Remainers think the issue is.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:28
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Lol this thread has been a right laugh
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:31
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Yes - we really do need to be certain what the people of Richmond park meant by their vote last Thursday.

Sarah Olney has departed for Westminster but we are unclear what her destination is. There was no clear road map either - did she take the district line or did she take a detour via Waterloo where Napoleon did surrender.

We really do need to double check again as you say because her manifesto was so unclear she couldn't even explain it.
Don't worry, Olney and her delusional mates will soon be back in obscurity land, and good riddance. Olney cannot wait for her to appear on QT, she will likely break down and cry, if she gets too difficult question, and no security blanket of her little delusional bubble.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:38
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...on this issue, showing how important Remainers think the issue is.
Not really they just switched to who was anti Heathrow and anti brexit.
In short a candidate who ticked more boxes.
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