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I got an A in standard grade French and I can't get by in France
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JohnnyForget
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“No. The world language should be English !!!!!”

Surprised you didn't say Latin, given your username.
neo_wales
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“Another thing I've noticed here in France is that you don't see many obese French people”

http://www.worldobesity.org/resource...y/#country=FRA
LostFool
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Christa:
“I'm a bit baffled that the OP didn't realise GCSE French was rudimentary.”

The point being that after 5 years of teaching a subject the level attained should be much higher than "rudimentary". It's just that the level of expectation for language tieaching in this country is so low because we don't see it as an important subject.

The friends I have who speak a second language well all learned through family links, private tuition or living abroad not from being taught at school.
Christa
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“http://www.worldobesity.org/resource...y/#country=FRA ”

... Which shows that obesity is lower in France.

French and Italian women have the lowest BMIs in Europe, British women one of the highest. British men are equally among the most overweight/obese in Europe (third after Greece and Malta).
Christa
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“*The point being that after 5 years of teaching a subject the level attained should be much higher than "rudimentary".* It's just that the level of expectation for language tieaching in this country is so low because we don't see it as an important subject.

The friends I have who speak a second language well all learned through family links, private tuition or living abroad not from being taught at school.”

While mine certainly was, but then I went to a good school and was packed off to France every summer from the age of 13.

You don't really begin to 'speak French' truly until you do it for A level, or you go and live there.
WhatJoeThinks
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“The point being that after 5 years of teaching a subject the level attained should be much higher than "rudimentary". It's just that the level of expectation for language tieaching in this country is so low because we don't see it as an important subject.

The friends I have who speak a second language well all learned through family links, private tuition or living abroad not from being taught at school.”

Sacré bleu! If you really want to learn to speak French (as well as understand it when you hear it) then you ought to spend lots of time listening to people speaking French. Give it a year, you should get on fine. If you want to study French, like how verbs are structured or whatever, then you ought to start with GCSE French or similar, then work your way up through A-level French before you go for the degree. Do you see the difference?

Plenty of people who studied French at GCSE level get on fine. Just because the OP (and yourself?) have a less-than-rudimentary grasp, it does not follow that the level of expectation for language teaching in this country is low, let alone that "we don't see it as an important subject". There is no 'we' as you imagine it, and there are literally millions of British people who found it important enough, or just interesting enough, to have paid attention in class.
srpsrp
04-12-2016
there are many different dialects of French apparently, depending on the area you are visiting. At least that was my excuse when I used to go to our holiday cottage in Brittany I had six years of French lessons at school and never managed a word of French to any one whilst I was over there. It's true that most of the people you'd want or need to talk to know English in my experience.
razorback Tony
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Formidable! With just a touch of champenois, if I'm not mistaken.”


Forgive me, I couldn't help wondering if you meant with a champenois, (of the Champagne region), accent, or with a touch of champignons, (mushrooms)!
Ovalteenie
04-12-2016
A guy just stopped me in the street tonight to ask me something... I think he thought I was a local, since I'm alone (most tourists are couples or groups). I had no idea what he said it was so fast... I replied "Pardon, je ne parle pas français, je suis un touriste". He laughed and said something that sounded apologetic in French and went on his way
St Dabeoc
04-12-2016
I don't know the word for "duck" in French
WhatJoeThinks
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by razorback Tony:
“Forgive me, I couldn't help wondering if you meant with a champenois, (of the Champagne region), accent, or with a touch of champignons, (mushrooms)!”

You're wondering if I thought his accent had a touch of mushrooms?
RobinOfLoxley
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by St Dabeoc:
“I don't know the word for "duck" in French”

It's tricky in English.

Are we talking Coin-Coin, Cherie or Se baisser vivement?
St Dabeoc
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by RobinOfLoxley:
“It's tricky in English.

Are we talking Coin-Coin, Cherie or Se baisser vivement?”

well the French don't do terms of endearment for total strangers, so that narrows it down
noise747
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“Most Parisians are very snotty, some like to hear the language spoken perfectly, others won't attempt to have a conversation with you, and you'll find those who are extremely sympathetic and will go out to help you.
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The French at school only sets you up to A2 (elementary) standard and even then students struggle with basic role plays like ordering food or asking for directions.

Tip is to play Russian roulette. Don't blink first. If you want to improve your French, speak it and resist the need to switch to English. Don't worry about mistakes, we've all made them. ”

BIB, that is what my mate found out when going to France and he said it is not just Paris.
noise747
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“When French people speak English with a French accent it sounds quite attractive... I'm curious to know what does French with an English accent sound like to the French? ”

i used to know a French girl, I have not seen her for years,, but I loved the accent, i think she went back to France.
LakieLady
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Corrie_Fan2:
“It's problem the same issue that means people who've learnt English as a foreign language are going to struggle in certain parts of the UK.”

I have an Italian friend who spent some of her teens at school in the UK. She came home and asked her (fluent English speaking) father what on earth "I don't give a flying f***" meant. After he'd spluttered and coughed, and explained that it was a very rude way of saying "I don't care", he asked her where she'd heard the expression.

He nearly had a seizure when she told him the games teacher had said it to one of the kids, and she started at a posh private school the following week.

I'm firmly of the opinion that you can't claim to speak a language until you can swear like a native speaker.
LakieLady
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“I wasn't expecting to be fluid in the language, just being able to ask where the nearest toilets would have been good.”

I find if you just shout loudly "Je dois pisser", someone will usually tell you.
razorback Tony
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“You're wondering if I thought his accent had a touch of mushrooms? ”


No, I wondered if you meant that he'd been eating mushrooms when he'd said it.
(It sounded funnier in my head, which was awash with Calvados at the time.)
noodkleopatra
05-12-2016
This is the problem so many foreign language learners face though.

When you learn a language as a course of study, you learn the formal variant. Because of course you do, it's formal, it's proper, it's testable.

But most people don't speak the formal variant. Look at English - I mean, in the UK/Éire alone, there's so many different variants, dialects, accents, colloquialisms, vulgarisms, etc. You're really only learning the bones of it - and with that, certain verbs, adjectives, etc, that are the most 'common'. But if you think about it, a lot of ESL folks come to the UK with broken English, and it's only after a very immersive stay (given that a lot of Brits can't or won't speak other languages) that they get it right. So it's only to be expected that you'd need a fair old stay in France to get your French up to grade. And the British do like to twist or ignore a lot of the rules of "formal English" in order to stick with the vernacular.

I'm near fluent when it comes to reading and writing in French, but when it comes to listening and speaking it, I'm absolutely awful. I'd be even worse if it weren't for the French friends I have who help me out. I think the rhythm of conversation is a lot different to the literacy of it.
barbeler
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“My O Levels were in graded with letters, the GCE's were graded with numbers. This was in 1979, 80 and 81”

I always thought all O Levels were graded by numbers and GCEs graded by letters.
bollywood
05-12-2016
My high school and college French were useless when I moved to Paris. Only when I had to find an electrician in a hurry, did my French improve quickly. To that end, I made sure my child learned French and went to French schools, not American ones. Child now works once a week in Paris so it was a good choice.

P.S. I recall French women as being much skinnier then than now. Now they dress like anyone else, most of the time.
Doctor_Wibble
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by bollywood:
“.. Only when I had to find an electrician in a hurry, did my French improve quickly. ...”

Was that before or after you saw him turn up with a spanner and bucket?
bollywood
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“Was that before or after you saw him turn up with a spanner and bucket?”

Unfortunately I don't know what those are.

I just recall repair people saying "C'est normal" all the time, no matter what my complaint was.
Doctor_Wibble
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by bollywood:
“Unfortunately I don't know what those are.”

A spanner is a thing you hit things with when you don't have a hammer and a bucket sounds like a bunch of flowers
Ovalteenie
05-12-2016
I notice that in conversations the French often say something that sounds like "ne-vrai" or it's sort of like "ne-why?" in a questioning tone. What does it mean? I'm guessing it's the French equivalent of 'really?'
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