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It is like people that trot out that old "Scottish bank notes are legal tender so a vendor in England cannot legally refuse them".
Utter bollocks. A vendor can accept or refuse any payment method as they see fit. |
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I would do the same thing as when a restaurant refused my Scottish £20 note, I offered it twice then left my contact details and walked out telling them they had refuse payment and that I considered the payment refused.
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I would do the same thing as when a restaurant refused my Scottish £20 note, I offered it twice then left my contact details and walked out telling them they had refuse payment and that I considered the payment refused.
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Banknotes issued by Scottish and Northern Irish banks are not legal tender anywhere but are widely accepted with agreement between parties.[31] Thus legal tender in Scotland is limited to coin.
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Scottish Banknotes are legal currency – i.e. they are approved by the UK Parliament. However, Scottish Bank notes are not Legal Tender, not even in Scotland. ... Whether or not notes have legal tender status, their acceptability as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved.
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So Gordie1 and tremol committed an act of theft as no such agreement existed.Since you left your contact details they should enact legal proceedings. If somebody walked out without paying I would call the police immediately. The fact they think they are in the right would be no lawful excuse for walking out without paying. Although if you left valid contact information it may be only a civil matter in which case I would sue you. |
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left my contact details
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Why on earth would I go to a Vegetarian cafe ??????
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For me the first clue would be when they looked askance when I ordered an FEB!
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So Gordie1 and tremol committed an act of theft as no such agreement existed.
Since you left your contact details they should enact legal proceedings. If somebody walked out without paying I would call the police immediately. The fact they think they are in the right would be no lawful excuse for walking out without paying. Although if you left valid contact information it may be only a civil matter in which case I would sue you. As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment. It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them i dont have to pander to their payment terms. |
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.
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Would the same be true if they said that payment would only be accepted in Euros? Or peanuts?
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Not if they told you about their restriction before serving you.
They can refuse to serve me if I smell, or i am disruptive. I dont smell, and I have video being just perfect |
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so prove that I smell bad
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.
As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment. It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them i dont have to pander to their payment terms. |
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No business has so accept your custom and as the venue is private property they could turn you away, but if you ate food and then offered payment via the new £5 then they couldn't refuse it as acceptable payment for the goods, if they refuse it they are effectively deciding not to be paid for the goods.
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not even that, they cannot under law refuse legal tender.
They can refuse to serve me if I smell, or i am disruptive. I dont smell, and I have video being just perfect |
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What I don't understand about people's silly objections to this news is, test any money, notes, coinage and you are more then likely to find animal fat and lots of other things as well.
Of all things to bitch about, stupidity of some. |
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They can refuse to provide a service if you refuse to accept their payment condition. if you to go ahead with the order after they inform you, you have accepted the condition i.e. no new £5 notes. If you decline the condition, they can and should decline to serve you.
If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note. |
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actually, they cannot refuse legal tender.
If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note. |
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It is like people that trot out that old "Scottish bank notes are legal tender so a vendor in England cannot legally refuse them".
Utter bollocks. A vendor can accept or refuse any payment method as they see fit. |
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.
As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment. It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them i dont have to pander to their payment terms. |
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No idea what you mean by that.
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It must be hard for vegetarians like this to function in the world.
I wonder whether, on principle, she doesn't have a computer (contains stearic acid, an animal by product) or drive a car (tyres have stearic acid in) or use soap, fabric conditioner, shampoo or crayons. All of which contain animal by products. Maybe she shuns candles, toothpaste and nail polish - because they contain small amounts of dead animal? Hopefully she looked away on Nov 5th, because fireworks contain stearic acid. Condoms contain casein and glycerin. Animal by products. I think you can get a veggie one. Oh, and if she's sat on a plywood chair, that's meaty too. it's made with blood from slaughterhouses. Some perspective needed I think. |
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actually, they cannot refuse legal tender.
If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note. Quote:
The only banknotes to have legal tender status in England and Wales are those issued by the Bank of England.
However, legal tender status has a very narrow meaning in relation to the settlement of debt which is of little relevance to most everyday transactions. All that legal tender means is that if debtors pay in legal tender the exact amount they owe under the terms of a contract, they have good defence in law if they are subsequently sued for non-payment of the debt. In ordinary day to day transactions, the term ‘legal tender’ has very little practical application. |
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Legal tender is specific to debt settlement and has no legal force otherwise. Learn about it here: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...s/default.aspx
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I love meat so there's no chance I'll be going into this cafe. Love a good sausage 😉
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