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Old 03-12-2016, 19:40
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It is like people that trot out that old "Scottish bank notes are legal tender so a vendor in England cannot legally refuse them".

Utter bollocks. A vendor can accept or refuse any payment method as they see fit.
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:42
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I would do the same thing as when a restaurant refused my Scottish £20 note, I offered it twice then left my contact details and walked out telling them they had refuse payment and that I considered the payment refused.
done exactly that twice.
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:43
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I would do the same thing as when a restaurant refused my Scottish £20 note, I offered it twice then left my contact details and walked out telling them they had refuse payment and that I considered the payment refused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_...United_Kingdom
Banknotes issued by Scottish and Northern Irish banks are not legal tender anywhere but are widely accepted with agreement between parties.[31] Thus legal tender in Scotland is limited to coin.
Scottish Banknotes are legal currency – i.e. they are approved by the UK Parliament. However, Scottish Bank notes are not Legal Tender, not even in Scotland. ... Whether or not notes have legal tender status, their acceptability as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved.
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:46
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So Gordie1 and tremol committed an act of theft as no such agreement existed.

Since you left your contact details they should enact legal proceedings.

If somebody walked out without paying I would call the police immediately. The fact they think they are in the right would be no lawful excuse for walking out without paying.

Although if you left valid contact information it may be only a civil matter in which case I would sue you.
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:46
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left my contact details
Were you able to guarantee that the contact details had been written down using an ink guaranteed to be free from animal products?
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:53
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Why on earth would I go to a Vegetarian cafe ??????
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Old 03-12-2016, 19:58
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For me the first clue would be when they looked askance when I ordered an FEB!
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:01
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So Gordie1 and tremol committed an act of theft as no such agreement existed.

Since you left your contact details they should enact legal proceedings.

If somebody walked out without paying I would call the police immediately. The fact they think they are in the right would be no lawful excuse for walking out without paying.

Although if you left valid contact information it may be only a civil matter in which case I would sue you.
Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.

As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment.

It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them
i dont have to pander to their payment terms.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:02
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.
Not if they told you about their restriction before serving you.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:05
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Would the same be true if they said that payment would only be accepted in Euros? Or peanuts?
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:05
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Not if they told you about their restriction before serving you.
not even that, they cannot under law refuse legal tender.

They can refuse to serve me if I smell, or i am disruptive.

I dont smell, and I have video being just perfect
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:07
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so prove that I smell bad
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:10
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.

As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment.

It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them
i dont have to pander to their payment terms.
Legal currency yes. Legal tender no.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:12
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No business has so accept your custom and as the venue is private property they could turn you away, but if you ate food and then offered payment via the new £5 then they couldn't refuse it as acceptable payment for the goods, if they refuse it they are effectively deciding not to be paid for the goods.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:12
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not even that, they cannot under law refuse legal tender.

They can refuse to serve me if I smell, or i am disruptive.

I dont smell, and I have video being just perfect
They can refuse to provide a service if you refuse to accept their payment condition. if you to go ahead with the order after they inform you, you have accepted the condition i.e. no new £5 notes. If you decline the condition, they can and should decline to serve you.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:13
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What I don't understand about people's silly objections to this news is, test any money, notes, coinage and you are more then likely to find animal fat and lots of other things as well.

Of all things to bitch about, stupidity of some.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:17
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They can refuse to provide a service if you refuse to accept their payment condition. if you to go ahead with the order after they inform you, you have accepted the condition i.e. no new £5 notes. If you decline the condition, they can and should decline to serve you.
actually, they cannot refuse legal tender.

If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:19
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actually, they cannot refuse legal tender.

If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note.
Scottish notes are NOT legal tender.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:24
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It is like people that trot out that old "Scottish bank notes are legal tender so a vendor in England cannot legally refuse them".

Utter bollocks. A vendor can accept or refuse any payment method as they see fit.
They aren't even legal tender in Scotland. Or so I was told once.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:26
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Payment offered in legal currency. Payment refused. There problem.

As it stands in law, if legal payment is offered you cannot refuse that payment.

It was offered, they refused on technical grounds, which is up to them
i dont have to pander to their payment terms.
It's THEIR problem not THERE. I***t
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:29
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No idea what you mean by that.
Neither does the troll.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:37
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It must be hard for vegetarians like this to function in the world.

I wonder whether, on principle, she doesn't have a computer (contains stearic acid, an animal by product) or drive a car (tyres have stearic acid in) or use soap, fabric conditioner, shampoo or crayons. All of which contain animal by products.

Maybe she shuns candles, toothpaste and nail polish - because they contain small amounts of dead animal?

Hopefully she looked away on Nov 5th, because fireworks contain stearic acid.

Condoms contain casein and glycerin. Animal by products. I think you can get a veggie one.

Oh, and if she's sat on a plywood chair, that's meaty too. it's made with blood from slaughterhouses.

Some perspective needed I think.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:38
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actually, they cannot refuse legal tender.

If i say I have a 7 pound note and that is legal tender, they cannot refuse the 7 pound note.
Legal tender is specific to debt settlement and has no legal force otherwise. Learn about it here: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...s/default.aspx

The only banknotes to have legal tender status in England and Wales are those issued by the Bank of England.

However, legal tender status has a very narrow meaning in relation to the settlement of debt which is of little relevance to most everyday transactions. All that legal tender means is that if debtors pay in legal tender the exact amount they owe under the terms of a contract, they have good defence in law if they are subsequently sued for non-payment of the debt. In ordinary day to day transactions, the term ‘legal tender’ has very little practical application.
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Old 03-12-2016, 20:58
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Legal tender is specific to debt settlement and has no legal force otherwise. Learn about it here: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...s/default.aspx
If you've had a meal and you're due to pay for it then that is money owed.
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Old 03-12-2016, 21:13
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I love meat so there's no chance I'll be going into this cafe. Love a good sausage 😉
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