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Cafe owner won't take the new £5 note
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netcurtains
04-12-2016
I could understand it more if she lived a vegan lifestyle and avoided all animal produce and by products but she's just a vegetarian, no one is asking her to eat a fiver. Half of the stuff in her cafe will have used animal by products to make so it just makes no sense to make a fuss over one item and not the rest.
Personally I think if you're going to kill an animal for it's meat you should use as much of the animal as you can, don't waste any so I don't have a problem with animal by products. It would be a bit weird of me to not to since I own two dogs which don't really fit in with a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle.
Thine Wonk
04-12-2016
"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.
Pumping Iron
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“if i remember right they get involved in things ethical

they do have very, very nice food and fill the gap left by arjuna`s cafe.

they are known for their ethics so i`m not sure.”

I hope they do source ethically and locally, otherwise they'd be hypocritical.

Importing food from thousands of miles away for example is going to have a far more -ve impact on the environment and carbon footprint, than buying locally sourced produce.
Ænima
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.”

Yes, I think I feel better about extreme levels of self righteousness if she were at least vegan, than I get a warm feeling inside that she is probably extremely unhappy as she tucks into her lacto free yogurts and sits around in her imitation leather trousers (see also: feminism).

I do hope she's for the death of flies and bacteria though. You have to draw a line somewhere.
Pumping Iron
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.”

That's why I'm confused, as if it were a solely vegan cafe I could understand the POV, but vegetarians still use and consume animal byproducts.
Deep Purple
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.”

As someone else said, will they refuse to accept fivers handed to them in other shops, and from cash machines etc?
Hank Schrader
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.”

I presume she will close the cafe once we have plastic 10 and 20 pound notes then, unless she starts accepting coins or cards only. If she has a change of heart then that would surely make her a hypocrite.
Thine Wonk
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Hank Schrader:
“I presume she will close the cafe once we have plastic 10 and 20 pound notes then, unless she starts accepting coins or cards only. If she has a change of heart then that would surely make her a hypocrite.”

Well the new £10 note comes in as soon as next summer, then she will be forced to only take change or £20 notes or cards.

Maybe she could just go card only and hope no tallow is used however tiny in the plastic coating on credit and debit cards, because if it is then then she'll have to close.
james_lndsay
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I wonder what DS members will think of this?

http://news.sky.com/story/vegetarian...atred-10681624”

What a moron the cafe owner is, so what if it has tallow its time we stopped pandering to morons and told them to go do one.
rob_knight
04-12-2016
If I was in charge of the Bank Of England my message to those complaining about the new fiver would be "Thank you for your comments, go forth and multiply".
d'@ve
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by rob_knight:
“If I was in charge of the Bank Of England my message to those complaining about the new fiver would be "Thank you for your comments, go forth and multiply".”

Instead of which, the Bank said the problem "had only just come to light" and it was treating the concerns with "utmost seriousness"."

"This issue has only just come to light, and the Bank did not know about it when the contract was signed."

[Supplier] Innovia is now working intensively with its supply chain and will keep the Bank informed on progress towards potential solutions," it added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38164921
WhatJoeThinks
04-12-2016
My wallet's made of leather.
TerraCanis
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“It would be determined as a civil matter.”

I thought I'd covered that with "Sort it out between you..."
gomezz
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Maybe she could just go card only”

Plastics are mostly made from animal by-products so not a solution.
starry_rune
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Isn't it against the law to refuse certain currency? Legal tender and all that?”

well all those people in England not accepting Scottish banknotes then!
RobinOfLoxley
04-12-2016
Some might imagine this to be a Religious Tolerance and Intolerance and Freeman of the Lands thread.

If they don't want to take it then fine. If I eat there, I'll make sure I have another means of payment or pop out to the Cashpoint.
LostFool
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by starry_rune:
“well all those people in England not accepting Scottish banknotes then!”

Scottish banknotes aren't even legal tender in Scotland

http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/legal_position.php
grimtales1
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by KornerKabin:
“With the world in such a crazy state of despair, upset and unease, I find getting on your high horse about a bit of animal fat in a bank note quite distasteful (pun intended).

Yes principles are important to uphold, but I often wish that people would choose their battles more carefully and this isn't one of them.”

I agree. The owner said something to the effect of "The person who handles the money doesn't cook the food but that isnt really the point"

Er, I think it is :rolls eyes: It's all money at the end of the day isnt it? She's being an idiot. I think its a vegetarian cafe rather than Vegan, but even if it was, is she eating the fivers? FFS
joshua321
05-12-2016
It seems that meat eaters like to harp on about how it's their 'choice' if they want to eat meat, and it's vegans' 'choice' to avoid animal products. But when you put killed animal products into currency you're taking away our choice to avoid them, or at the very least making life unnecessarily difficult for us. Maybe you think that's a good thing but that's just hypocrisy.
noodkleopatra
05-12-2016
Whether or not you agree with having animal fat in the fivers and people's choice to use them or not, either way, it's an incredibly stupid idea to put animal fat in the currency in the first place, and very short-sighted. For whatever reason, personal, religious (e.g. Hindu, Buddhist), ethical, etc, plenty of people have issue - a sizeable enough amount for the Vegetarian food market to survive well and have food labelled in much the same way as Halal or Kosher is.

It's just an incredibly stupid oversight on the part of the Bank of England, and I wonder how they couldn't have predicted such a backlash.
himerus
05-12-2016
I wonder how much it will cost to reissue the five pound notes?
Hank Schrader
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by himerus:
“I wonder how much it will cost to reissue the five pound notes?”

As long as the cost isn't passed on to us rational people. Put a tax on Vegan food, that should cover it.
grimtales1
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by miss_astrid:
“I read the article on the BBC - the way it was worded made it sound like she hadn't even had anyone try to pay with the new £5 note yet. I think it's a petty publicity stunt.”

I'm wondering that too. Especially as the cafe has food with milk, cheese and other animal by-products but she doesnt mind that
bspace
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“"We all said we felt very uneasy about handling it (the note). We thought the only way round this is to just not accept them." Said the owner of the vegetarian cafe (not vegan) which sells eggs and milk products.”

Although presumably not averse to handling the till which will probably contain stearic acid a fatty acid made with animal fats. Woodglue is usually made with animal fat so even wooden tills aren't fat free.

Amusingly given the context stearic acid's name comes from the Greek word στέαρ "stéar", which means tallow. (Googledfact)
roverboy1965
05-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No business has so accept your custom and as the venue is private property they could turn you away, but if you ate food and then offered payment via the new £5 then they couldn't refuse it as acceptable payment for the goods, if they refuse it they are effectively deciding not to be paid for the goods.”

Actually they do as the B&B owners and the NI bakery found to their cost when they refused the custom of the gay couple and man.
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