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None of the dances looked like the dance style that they were meant to be doing, e.g. Claudia and Louise.
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Shocking bias towards Danny
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Whilst I feel that the music Danny and Oti were saddled with was wildly inappropriate for a Tango, they danced it very well but....
... I felt it had too little tango in there and was danced quite a bit more out of hold than you would expect to see. The segment in hold with the backing dancers was very creative and in a different context would have looked great but it was really not, in my view, appropriate for a tango. ... and yes, I think it was overmarked. Quote:
That may be so, but there was no doubt that Ore and Jo's foxtrot looked like a Foxtrot and Robert and Oksana's Samba looked very much like a Samba - not not really none of the dances.
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Louise under marked - as usual.
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Whether Danny's tango looked less like a tango than Ore's foxtrot is subjective, but considerably more of Danny's dance was in hold than Ore's, or Louise's for that matter.
It's the first time the amount of time spent out of hold in a Tango has made an impression on me, which is why I commented upon it... but as I said, it was lousy music for this particular dance, which is why it didn't have the usual Tango feel to it, in my view. |
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That may be so, but there was no doubt that Ore and Jo's foxtrot looked like a Foxtrot and Robert and Oksana's Samba looked very much like a Samba - not not really none of the dances.
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you are joking...right??
They work for all celebs (although some may need stronger lenses) and after a couple of weeks you won't even realise you're wearing them. |
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Whilst I feel that the music Danny and Oti were saddled with was wildly inappropriate for a Tango, they danced it very well but....
... I felt it had too little tango in there and was danced quite a bit more out of hold than you would expect to see. The segment in hold with the backing dancers was very creative and in a different context would have looked great but it was really not, in my view, appropriate for a tango. ... and yes, I think it was overmarked. |
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you are joking...right??
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Compared to both of the other ballroom dances last night, it had far and away the most time spent in hold. Even the segment you mention with the backing dancers had Danny & Oti in hold in the centre of the line with the other dancers holding on to them from either side.
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Compared to both of the other ballroom dances last night, it had far and away the most time spent in hold. Even the segment you mention with the backing dancers had Danny & Oti in hold in the centre of the line with the other dancers holding on to them from either side.
It's merely an opinion. I just felt that it was not very tango-like. My reference to the segment with the backing dancers is unrelated to my comments about the parts danced out of hold. In fact, I even referred to the fact that it was in hold, so I'm puzzled by your comment. I simply said that it was "very creative and in a different context would have looked great" but felt it was not really appropriate for this dance.
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I'm not comparing it to anyone else's dances from last night but rather talking about Danny and Oti's dance in isolation - as this thread is about them.
It's merely an opinion. I just felt that it was not very tango-like. My reference to the segment with the backing dancers is unrelated to my comments about the parts danced out of hold. In fact, I even referred to the fact that it was in hold, so I'm puzzled by your comment. I simply said that it was "very creative and in a different context would have looked great" but felt it was not really appropriate for this dance. |
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Bias towards Danny? You mean Danny who had a fantastic Paso that was worth a 40 but only got 36 because it was "too early for a 10". The next week, Ore got 3 10s for a pretty boring jive.
There is a bias, but it's not for Danny. Quote:
What do you mean 'again'? He had full marks last week because they were fully deserved.
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Or Danny's jive which got only got 38 when the most boring, sexless and least romantic argentine tango ever got a 39? The bias is for the Cliftons!
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I thinks Claudias been overmarked for the last 3 weeks.
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Whether Danny's tango looked less like a tango than Ore's foxtrot is subjective, but considerably more of Danny's dance was in hold than Ore's, or Louise's for that matter.
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Compared to both of the other ballroom dances last night, it had far and away the most time spent in hold. Even the segment you mention with the backing dancers had Danny & Oti in hold in the centre of the line with the other dancers holding on to them from either side.
Also, what is the point of blaming the dancers for the music - and the scoring? Ah yes, we are the anti Danny brigade and we'll just blame him for everything, and for being so good. How very dare he! ![]() ![]() ![]() I don't vote so, sorry folks. Not a mad fan here, just a dancer who likes to watch dance but manages NOT to lose all common sense while doing so. |
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I think the issue is, yes, it wasn't the most recognisible Tango in the show's history but it has to be looked at in context - none of them really did except for Ore and Joanne. Possibly Judge Rinder and Oksana's would have done had it been danced correctly (a bit like Danny and Oti's Tango to be fair); Louise and Kevin simply did a showdance for the second week in a row and Claudia & AJ faded in and out of the Salsa.
Is there some reason why comments cannot be made about Danny's dances without a justification/comparison being made with one of the other performances of the night? That's not looking at it in context. ![]() This is Danny and Oti's performance of a Tango I'm talking about - not anyone else's performance of something else entirely. Why can't it be assessed or commented upon on its own merits, rather than someone else's dance being brought into the equation?
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I'm confused.
Is there some reason why comments cannot be made about Danny's dances without a justification/comparison being made with one of the other performances of the night? That's not looking at it in context. ![]() This is Danny and Oti's performance of a Tango I'm talking about - not anyone else's performance of something else entirely. Why can't it be assessed or commented upon on its own merits, rather than someone else's dance being brought into the equation? ![]() |
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I'm confused.
Is there some reason why comments cannot be made about Danny's dances without a justification/comparison being made with one of the other performances of the night? That's not looking at it in context. ![]() This is Danny and Oti's performance of a Tango I'm talking about - not anyone else's performance of something else entirely. Why can't it be assessed or commented upon on its own merits, rather than someone else's dance being brought into the equation? ![]() Styling is also key - why just pick up on Danny and Oti's issues with the choreography from last night alone? Is it fair or is it not? Did the theme of the show dictate the staging and choreographical choices of every dance? If yes then the criticism (whether of the couple or the theme or the music choices etc.) needs to be seen across the board in context. If no then the criticism should be directed at just that couple. You ask why Danny and Oti can't be criticised without context being brought into it... I'd ponder why any couple should be criticised without it. |
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I'm not comparing it to anyone else's dances from last night but rather talking about Danny and Oti's dance in isolation - as this thread is about them.
It's merely an opinion. I just felt that it was not very tango-like. My reference to the segment with the backing dancers is unrelated to my comments about the parts danced out of hold. In fact, I even referred to the fact that it was in hold, so I'm puzzled by your comment. I simply said that it was "very creative and in a different context would have looked great" but felt it was not really appropriate for this dance.A foxtrot AS obscured by flowers and giant lollipops. A QS AS with barndancing and judge table bothering after a lift/heavy assist. A discotango. Blame the overbearing themeing. |
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I'm confused.
Is there some reason why comments cannot be made about Danny's dances without a justification/comparison being made with one of the other performances of the night? That's not looking at it in context. ![]() This is Danny and Oti's performance of a Tango I'm talking about - not anyone else's performance of something else entirely. Why can't it be assessed or commented upon on its own merits, rather than someone else's dance being brought into the equation? ![]() Yes he was overmarked ..... Yes, again. As its preferred I don't compare to others I'll scuttle off and start a new thread for EVERY couple who danced last night, saying the exact same thing
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Whaaat??? I just saw it and I was replying and it's all gone.
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As a performance and when criticising it on its own merits or lack thereof, of course it can. However, when you introduce the concept of overmarking to it, it's impossible (if one is being fair) to properly discuss this without also looking at the scores given to the others and this also necessitates looking at the performances of the others.
Whether or not it was overmarked, my comments were more about how it looked and whether it was sufficiently Tango-like or not. For that reason, whether anyone else's dances looked like what they were supposed to be, doesn't enter into it because I have chosen to comment only on Danny and Oti's dance and not any of the others. ![]() Notwithstanding the poor choice of music - and I doubt whether anyone else could have done much with it either - for me their dance lacked the feel and passionate emotion of a Tango. |
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Are you saying the other couples aren't ?
Ore, JR & Claudia all have day jobs too, they don't have the luxury like Danny spending 10 hours plus a day training.
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I actually think every dance should be looked in context. Take the marking - pick a couple, Ore and Joanne for example. Do I think they were overmarked last night? Yes. Sounds unfair. In context of everyone else do I think they were overmarked? No.
Styling is also key - why just pick up on Danny and Oti's issues with the choreography from last night alone? Is it fair or is it not? Did the theme of the show dictate the staging and choreographical choices of every dance? If yes then the criticism (whether of the couple or the theme or the music choices etc.) needs to be seen across the board in context. If no then the criticism should be directed at just that couple. You ask why Danny and Oti can't be criticised without context being brought into it... I'd ponder why any couple should be criticised without it. I'm asking why Danny and Oti's dance can't be assessed and commented upon on its own merits without comparison with anyone else's dance muddying the waters. I'm only commenting on Danny and Oti because this thread is about them - and not everyone else. ![]() Why is that a problem?
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No, I didn't.
I'm asking why Danny and Oti's dance can't be assessed and commented upon on its own merits without comparison with anyone else's dance muddying the waters. I'm only commenting on Danny and Oti because this thread is about them - and not everyone else. ![]() Why is that a problem? ![]() Of course you can comment on the dance on its own merits but the topic on most people's mind in this thread will be overmarking and bias and they'll probably respond accordingly. Well, as you've seen - they have done .
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No, I didn't.
I'm asking why Danny and Oti's dance can't be assessed and commented upon on its own merits without comparison with anyone else's dance muddying the waters. I'm only commenting on Danny and Oti because this thread is about them - and not everyone else. ![]() Why is that a problem? ![]()
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No, I didn't.
I'm asking why Danny and Oti's dance can't be assessed and commented upon on its own merits without comparison with anyone else's dance muddying the waters. I'm only commenting on Danny and Oti because this thread is about them - and not everyone else. ![]() Why is that a problem? ![]() If the judges look at a dance and score X and the next dance is worse there is no question over the lower score. However, if the third or subsequent dances are better, then of necessity they have to score higher, even if those dances do not merit the scores. It is the only way they have of saying C is better than A, as good as D but not better than E, and all are better than B. People get so hung up on the judges scores, when the only thing that actually matters is position on the leader board. |
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I simply said that it was "very creative and in a different context would have looked great" but felt it was not really appropriate for this dance.

