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Old 04-12-2016, 15:43
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I'm nominating you for the 'Grace under Pressure' award.

The irony that you, who focuses your attention solely on the campmates, always responds reasonably to other FMs and never makes personal attacks, is being attacked from all sides by people who're whinging about people ganging up and attacking Poor Martin. Strewth.
Never makes personal attacks? I nominate you for the comedy award.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:43
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The article is pure bs, he had a chance to speak up on Extra Camp last night, he just said it wasn't a big deal.
Exactly, Larry didn't 'gather' the other campmates around him, they chose to be around him. Martin tried to take over constantly, he was a pain in the neck from the off and only became more bearable once he had his ego massaged.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:43
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Yes, you must have. Didn't you see any of that?
No, I didn't see the campmates gravitate towards Martin.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:43
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The article is pure bs, he had a chance to speak up on Extra Camp last night, he just said it wasn't a big deal.
he has integrity, he will only out bullies when being paid well by the sunday papers
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:43
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I haven't read Martin's newspaper piece, and probably won't bother. However, Wayne said in his exit interview that Martin thought he was being bullied. I tend to the opinion that if someone thinks that, then he probably is. Didn't stop Wayne joining in, right up to their final day. Although I'd concede that whispering behind someones back is probably not actually bullying.
Having worked with a woman who threw around accusations of bullying like confetti, I disagree that someone thinking they're being bullied means they probably are.
Some people see bullying every time they don't get their own way or when they are in the minority opinion.
I think Martin and Larry clashed and dealt with it in different ways. I also now wonder if now he's out, Martin has realised there is cash and mileage to be had from the woe is me stories and has decided to go down that path
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:45
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The article is pure bs, he had a chance to speak up on Extra Camp last night, he just said it wasn't a big deal.
Funny how it wasn't a big deal until the rags got the chequebook out 🤔
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:46
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Just make sure you understand what a bully is first. Not liking someone doesn't make you a bully.
You obviously haven't read any of my previous posts (and I don't blame you), if you think I don't know what bullying is.

Bullying isn't just physical or verbal abuse. It can and often is more subtle (although it wasn't too subtle in this case). It includes ostracising, excluding and generally singling someone out for cold treatment.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:47
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No, I didn't see the campmates gravitate towards Martin.
You must have missed the episode where he was made an honorary girl.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:48
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Having worked with a woman who threw around accusations of bullying like confetti, I disagree that someone thinking they're being bullied means they probably are.
Some people see bullying every time they don't get their own way or when they are in the minority opinion.
I think Martin and Larry clashed and dealt with it in different ways. I also now wonder if now he's out, Martin has realised there is cash and mileage to be had from the woe is me stories and has decided to go down that path
Martin loves attention, any sort of attention and he will milk this for all it's worth.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:53
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Martin loves attention, any sort of attention and he will milk this for all it's worth.

Anyone who goes on IAC wants attention.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:53
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The truth of it is none of us viewers really know what went on in camp, we wasn't there.

I do find this bullying thing has been blown out of all proportion, I didn't see any bullying, differences of opinion, clashes of character yes, but bullying no.

i know Martin has now for some attained 'sainthood' but for me he was an annoying character and I can fully understand why he rubbed Larry and at times some of the others up the wrong way.


I didn't think he did a great interview with Ant and Dec tbh, he immediately went into 'poor little me' mode and from pieces I have read online is continuing to do so.

He is a grown man, if his jungle experience was 'hell' then he should have taken the issue to the producers or whoever, he needs to man up and take responsibility for his well being ...again imo.

If he thinks that Larry and Wayne were picking on him/bullying him God knows how he would have coped with the wrath of Lady C last year.

I appreciate I will get my head blown off for daring to raise it above the parapet on this issue but each to their own, and this is my take on what went on.
Difference between Martin and Larry is that Martin didn't go around criticising other people's behaviour. Why the hell should he behave differently just because Larry (dictator) Lamb doesn't like him???
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:54
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The truth of it is none of us viewers really know what went on in camp, we wasn't there.

I do find this bullying thing has been blown out of all proportion, I didn't see any bullying, differences of opinion, clashes of character yes, but bullying no.

i know Martin has now for some attained 'sainthood' but for me he was an annoying character and I can fully understand why he rubbed Larry and at times some of the others up the wrong way.

I didn't think he did a great interview with Ant and Dec tbh, he immediately went into 'poor little me' mode and from pieces I have read online is continuing to do so.

He is a grown man, if his jungle experience was 'hell' then he should have taken the issue to the producers or whoever, he needs to man up and take responsibility for his well being ...again imo.

If he thinks that Larry and Wayne were picking on him/bullying him God knows how he would have coped with the wrath of Lady C last year.

I appreciate I will get my head blown off for daring to raise it above the parapet on this issue but each to their own, and this is my take on what went on.
Spot on .......
Although I liked them all this year ,I could also see how annoying Martin could be at times ,and when you're all stuck together not being able to get away ,can see how irritating it becomes ,to now come out and still be droning on just makes me roll my eyes ..Like you say if he felt that Bullied ,he should've gone to the producers,instead of whinging to the papers
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:55
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You obviously haven't read any of my previous posts (and I don't blame you), if you think I don't know what bullying is.

Bullying isn't just physical or verbal abuse. It can and often is more subtle (although it wasn't too subtle in this case). It includes ostracising, excluding and generally singling someone out for cold treatment.
I know what bullying is. Martin was never ostracized by the group. Only Larry disliked him. Adam and Wayne made every effort to include him and get along with him at first but there was only so much whining and sulking that they could take. Even then they never ignored him. Maybe hugging trees and putting buckets on their head is not their thing.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:57
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I know what bullying is. Martin was never ostracized by the group. Only Larry disliked him. Adam and Wayne made every effort to include him and get along with him at first but there was only so much whining and sulking that they could take. Even then they never ignored him. Maybe hugging trees and putting buckets on their head is not their thing.
No, they're far too sensible. They like to talk about interesting subjects - erm, remind me of what they are again?
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:58
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Exactly, Larry didn't 'gather' the other campmates around him, they chose to be around him. Martin tried to take over constantly, he was a pain in the neck from the off and only became more bearable once he had his ego massaged.
I agree that they chose him as their unofficial leader. But it does mean that they formed a clique and they looked up to Larry, so would have taken on board anything he said.

I didn't like the way Larry singled Martin out from all the other "wonderful" campmates over the business with the straws. m
Martin had done absolutelty nothing wrong (unless over exuberance is a crime) and in the end they did use straws to decide who did the trial. Larry just behaved like a d*ckhead.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:06
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he has integrity, he will only out bullies when being paid well by the sunday papers
No he said as much in his interview with Ant & Dec.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:10
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A good article here about adult bullying, for anyone who's interested:

http://www.mentalhealthsupport.co.uk/adultbullying.html

One phrase that leapt out at me was this:

The victims of adult bullying may find little or no sympathy from their co-workers, friends and family members. After all, we are big now; we should not let silly things like bullying bother us. Or should we?
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:25
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I agree that they chose him as their unofficial leader. But it does mean that they formed a clique and they looked up to Larry, so would have taken on board anything he said.

I didn't like the way Larry singled Martin out from all the other "wonderful" campmates over the business with the straws. m
Martin had done absolutelty nothing wrong (unless over exuberance is a crime) and in the end they did use straws to decide who did the trial. Larry just behaved like a d*ckhead.
Larry was petty over the straws but that is not bullying. It was petty and childish. But then Martin was petty and childish when he soaked Adam's bed because he was furious at losing his place as royalty and exemption. Neither of them were terrorized by a big bad bully though.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:38
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Larry was petty over the straws but that is not bullying. It was petty and childish. But then Martin was petty and childish when he soaked Adam's bed because he was furious at losing his place as royalty and exemption. Neither of them were terrorized by a big bad bully though.
Martin soaking the bed was a hilarious prank. If Larry had done it to Martin's bed, it would be a war crime.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:44
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How do people on here know that Martin did not complain to the Producers about Larry. I remember that one night a lot of posters noticed a u turn on Martin by a lot of the Celebs perhaps the Producers mentioned it to them. We will never know but it was some u turn by a number of them.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:44
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Larry was petty over the straws but that is not bullying. It was petty and childish. But then Martin was petty and childish when he soaked Adam's bed because he was furious at losing his place as royalty and exemption. Neither of them were terrorized by a big bad bully though.
Yep. Two men old enough to be grandads didn't get on and dealt with the situation differently. Neither came out smelling of roses but nor are either evil personified.
The people around them preferred one or the other and privately discussed their views or else steered well clear and kept out of it.
Different folks, different views, different ways of dealing with things - that's human nature, not bullying
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:51
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Larry was petty over the straws but that is not bullying. It was petty and childish. But then Martin was petty and childish when he soaked Adam's bed because he was furious at losing his place as royalty and exemption. Neither of them were terrorized by a big bad bully though.
I think there's a difference. Martin was reacting to losing his royal privileges and being ordered around by the royals. When he soaked the bed, that was not an attack on Adam's personality, unlike when Larry laid into Martin, which was a personal attack.

Can people really not see the difference between telling someone that they should change their behaviour to someone doing something as a prank in the context of the game they were playing?
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:10
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I think there's a difference. Martin was reacting to losing his royal privileges and being ordered around by the royals. When he soaked the bed, that was not an attack on Adam's personality, unlike when Larry laid into Martin, which was a personal attack.

Can people really not see the difference between telling someone that they should change their behaviour to someone doing something as a prank in the context of the game they were playing?
Agree re the water 'attack' but what it did nevertheless show was how out of tune Martin was with the general generous mood of the camp. He saw that whole task as a 'them and us' and was perfectly happy with the status quo when he was royal, but defaulted to petulance once he lost his crown. For me, it was just another example of his poor social skills, his self-absorption, his inability to read the mood or take any pleasure in other people's good fortune.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:11
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I think there's a difference. Martin was reacting to losing his royal privileges and being ordered around by the royals. When he soaked the bed, that was not an attack on Adam's personality, unlike when Larry laid into Martin, which was a personal attack.

Can people really not see the difference between telling someone that they should change their behaviour to someone doing something as a prank in the context of the game they were playing?
It wasn't a prank it was vindictive. He'd lost his bed and was going to make sure that Adam couldn't enjoy it. He was furious....don't be fooled by the smile and 'it was just a joke'. The man knows exactly what he's doing. I can't believe how easily people are taken in by passive aggressive behavior. He'd already shown his fury when he insisted that he couldn't be expected to go and wait on them and the group overruled him.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:12
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at least Martin now has enough money for therapy, I'd say he's now comfirmed middle class, bet he doesn't spend it on a shrink though, bet he has another go at reforesting his head
just as long as he doesnt go to any of the therapists on this forum
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